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I've played a demo, I liked the game, I planned to purchase at some point.
I'm not going to buy this game on any other platform.
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vv221: The simple fact that I ended up asking this question is a proof that no, the information is not so obvious.
Because you couldn't even be bothered to click on the very obvious link that says "Learn more about early access". I don't think you're arguing in good faith, so never mind, you've clearly made up your mind to be offended no matter what. Have fun with that.
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vv221: The simple fact that I ended up asking this question is a proof that no, the information is not so obvious.
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eric5h5: Because you couldn't even be bothered to click on the very obvious link that says "Learn more about early access". I don't think you're arguing in good faith, so never mind, you've clearly made up your mind to be offended no matter what. Have fun with that.
Yes, the buyer needs to understand that they may not receive a finished product.

But the seller also needs to understand that he's going to get some blowback if he ever backs out or starts behaving in an unusual way.

So yes, risks on both sides here.

I think what people get REALLY irate about though, is a total lack of communication. Even leaving an explanatory notice regarding future plans would really help mitigate any blowback the dev would receive. But ZERO communication on the issue is going to be met with hostility, and rightly so in my book.

All he'd have to do is answer, "Why are you removing it from GOG?" I think that's a reasonable question. And you could argue that he doesn't NEED to answer. And you'd be right. But by the same token, people who have given him money don't NEED to shut up about it either, no matter how much it may annoy the dev. These people are also annoyed, and have the right and the means to voice their displeasure. And until that question is answered by the dev, he has to expect that people are going to speculate.
Post edited February 11, 2024 by GilesHabibula
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vv221: Until now I was expecting that getting the full game at some point was guaranteed, like what is done with other methods of pre-order.
In life, only death is guaranteed.
I wonder how many copies were sold after the delisting announcement .
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GilesHabibula: Yes, the buyer needs to understand that they may not receive a finished product.

But the seller also needs to understand that he's going to get some blowback if he ever backs out or starts behaving in an unusual way.
I'm not defending this particular seller; good communication is key. The idea that someone in 2024 would somehow not know how early access works and would think there's some kind of completion guarantee is not credible though.
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Maybe there have been others, but so far I only know of a case of a game that has been receiving updates after being delisted here (The Long Dark). Removing it from the store was a publisher-only decision and the developer decided to continue updating the game here.

I don't have high hopes, but let's see if the same happens with Hellish Quart.
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Lone_Scout: Maybe there have been others, but so far I only know of a case of a game that has been receiving updates after being delisted here (The Long Dark). Removing it from the store was a publisher-only decision and the developer decided to continue updating the game here.
Nop, The Long Dark updates on GOG Stopped on 2.02 version (it was updated several times after delisted, true), while Steam and Epic ones are rith now at 2.27, and with a new (completed and finished) DLC called "Tales from far territory", that, of course, it was never available here on GOG. Maybe, one day we will have the complete version...

So, I already know what to expect with Hellish Quart on GOG...
Post edited February 12, 2024 by Cananas
Aside from the DLC, The Long Dark on Steam got divided in two (splitting survival from story mode), and I don't think the original version has any relevant updates there either, since episode 5 is still not done. The GOG version has been updated after delisting and I suspect will get updated again if/when episode 5 is finished. Clearly it's not going to get updates related to the new DLC.
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eric5h5: Because you couldn't even be bothered to click on the very obvious link that says "Learn more about early access".
That’s bullshit.

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eric5h5: The idea that someone in 2024 would somehow not know how early access works and would think there's some kind of completion guarantee is not credible though.
Not everyone here is a Steam customer. I never bought a single early access game, I don’t see how I should have guessed that this system works contrary to absolutely every single other method of sale for any kind of product.

I thought pre-order was the ultimate shady cash-grab, I now stand corrected. At least with pre-order you end up with either a released game (no matter how bad it end up being) or your money back.
Post edited February 13, 2024 by vv221
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eric5h5: I'm not defending this particular seller; good communication is key. The idea that someone in 2024 would somehow not know how early access works and would think there's some kind of completion guarantee is not credible though.
Ah, I see. I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification.

That said, I think I'm willing to believe that there are people in 2024 who don't know what an early access game is, especially if they don't buy a lot of games. There are plenty of things in the online world that I am still naive about (and maybe believing him at his word is one of those things).

For example: I have never in my life played a multiplayer game, only SP. I just have never had the interest. However, if a multiplayer game ever came out that I was interested in, I might be willing to try it. I haven't sworn them off or anything. But I know that if I were to try and get into one now, in 2024, I might be in for a world of hurt. I don't know the lingo, the customs, or really anything at all. And I can imagine people saying things like, "You've never played one of these before? In 2024? I don't believe you."
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vv221: I thought pre-order was the ultimate shady cash-grab, I now stand corrected. At least with pre-order you end up with either a released game (no matter how bad it end up being) or your money back.
Well that's certainly one way to look at it, and in certain cases, a cash grab might be exactly the right terminology.

Ostensibly though, the reason early access was originally conceived was to raise money so that developers who would otherwise not have enough money could complete their projects. It was a way for people who were excited about a project to help support those developers. Because I know that if these devs don't try to raise this money, the game will never see the light of day.

But it is a risk. You're not guaranteed anything. I think of it more as a donation. I pay for the game early and then I either play what they've got available, or in most cases I just pay and then forget about it and hope for the best. And if the game comes out someday, that's great. I already own it. And if the game is never finished, I shrug and move on. That's kind of the attitude you've got to have with these things, or you're bound for disappointment and anger.
Post edited February 13, 2024 by GilesHabibula
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eric5h5: Because you couldn't even be bothered to click on the very obvious link that says "Learn more about early access".
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vv221: That’s bullshit.
Why? It's self-evidently true.
Not everyone here is a Steam customer.
Who said anything about Steam? This is the GOG website, I'm talking about GOG. They've had early access games for years. Again, click the link in the highly visible, non-hidden orange box labeled "This game is currently in Early Access" that says "Learn more about early access". If you can't manage that, I don't know what to tell you. Well, except the saying "you can lead a horse to water buy you can't make it drink" comes to mind.

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GilesHabibula: For example: I have never in my life played a multiplayer game, only SP.
Eh. I don't play multiplayer games either, but I have some level of awareness beyond my immediate surroundings, and as a result at least vaguely know about multiplayer stuff. And if I came across a link labeled "Learn about playing this multiplayer game" I'd be inclined to click it so I could be educated, rather than getting angry.
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Here is the most likely scenario:

They will keep updating the game for those that already got it, but won't release any DLCs here, so you will never have the complete game.

I'm glad I didn't buy. I won't buy it elsewhere either.