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So basically, the crazy conservative [REDACTED] of the Polish Government are looking to strip the honor of a holocaust historian.

I don't know who voted this government in, but this is not something that pleases me and the people should be ashamed.

I don't think I really have any other words for just how utterly disappointing this is.
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Darvond: So basically, the crazy conservative [REDACTED] of the Polish Government are looking to strip the honor of a holocaust historian.

I don't know who voted this government in, but this is not something that pleases me and the people should be ashamed.

I don't think I really have any other words for just how utterly disappointing this is.
Let's Polish people decide that.
Global media can be biased and manipulative sometimes.
As shite as it is, I don't know what to believe in terms of media coverage these days.
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amrit9037: Let's Polish people decide that.
A democratic election doesn't guarantee that the people making that choice isn't pretty damn stupid. They did elect Hitler, you know.
I like how PiS keeps fucking up... the sooner more people realize how socially extreme they are the better. I don't follow polls or media here too carefully, but I believe if elections were held today PiS would not win?

Any Poles more in the know care to correct me and inform me please?

Of course there is an unfortunate lack of political alternatives, so I expect a degree of fragmentation and instability in the coming decade :(
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amrit9037: Let's Polish people decide that.
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KasperHviid: A democratic election doesn't guarantee that the people making that choice isn't pretty damn stupid. They did elect Hitler, you know.
well USA armed Afgans against USSR which later lead to formation of al-Qaeda and now the global terrorism.
Even Hitler can't beat that!!!
:P
Pity I guess, but apart from that I find this news rather unimportant. I believe that professor or whatshisname can continue with his life without one honorary award. There are more important problems in the world, like games with DRM, or the damn difficult last mission of Freespace.
Post edited February 15, 2016 by timppu
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Never trust Catholics!
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Crosmando: Never trust Catholics!
especially when they're dropping some beats ;P
Some Poles always argued about whether or not we were engaging in holocaust. That's not a new thing. The Guardian - and other global media just want to highlight PiS (law and justice) actions and they do it frequently AFAIK.

Of course truth is always worth to find, but there's no simple truth here.
Some poles were following German propaganda for sure (or hating Jews themselves), some were helping Jews and hiding them risking their lives - a lot of those cases were documented - there were NO Polish death camps for sure, they were German Nazi death camps. Poles were dying there too. And Jews (kapos and others) were mistreating Jews there too, even killing one another. Does that mean that Jews were responsible for Holocaust too? Just read Viktor Frankl's "Man's search for meaning" or other first-hand sources.

Every war is horrible, that's the truth - and we have those running now!

Closed mind can be bad. In my opinion PiS party have closed minds, they just look on one side of things. Or they pretend to do so to get electorate.
People and certain world powers should stop playing world police. Let every nation and country choose what they want to believe.
Everyone knows the saying that smart people learn from others' mistakes and dumb people only from those they make themselves.
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Brasas: I like how PiS keeps fucking up... the sooner more people realize how socially extreme they are the better. I don't follow polls or media here too carefully, but I believe if elections were held today PiS would not win?

Any Poles more in the know care to correct me and inform me please?

Of course there is an unfortunate lack of political alternatives, so I expect a degree of fragmentation and instability in the coming decade :(
Unfortunately they would most likely win again, they still lead in most polls by quite a margin. They just probably wouldn't have the majority to rule alone. But it's only been a couple of months since the election. Their numbers will drop, and sharply, given time. The sad truth is most people don't care about the actions that harm the democratic order of things, don't understand foregin politics, not to mention caring about some historian. It will happen in a year or so, when the economy starts to really feel the effects of the decisions that are being made now.
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dewtech: Everyone knows the saying that smart people learn from others' mistakes and dumb people only from those they make themselves.
Dumb people don't learn, that's the problem. If they did, even after making mistakes themselves, this world would be a paradise.
Post edited February 15, 2016 by Breja
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dewtech: People and certain world powers should stop playing world police. Let every nation and country choose what they want to believe.
Everyone knows the saying that smart people learn from others' mistakes and dumb people only from those they make themselves.
I don't think it would be wise to choose disbelief of an time where millions were simply killed for the sake of their extermination.
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dewtech: People and certain world powers should stop playing world police. Let every nation and country choose what they want to believe.
Everyone knows the saying that smart people learn from others' mistakes and dumb people only from those they make themselves.
So you basically said "Whatever I don't care" ?
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dewtech: People and certain world powers should stop playing world police. Let every nation and country choose what they want to believe.
Everyone knows the saying that smart people learn from others' mistakes and dumb people only from those they make themselves.
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Narakir: So you basically said "Whatever I don't care" ?
Yes, and everyone should do that.

Everyone knows jews were killed, big boohoo. Other nations got killed too, especially poles, so they know about that shit. I wouldn't put it past them to hate the jews for making a trademark of extermination of their nation, but everyone usually forgets gypsys, poles and slavs.

Yeah yeah, care about misery etc etc, maybe Poles want to take care of ther own country first? Let them fucking be and choose their own path ffs. Everyone is a big commenter everywhere, jesus.