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Posted June 06, 2023
As we step into the month of June, we wanted to take a moment to acknowledge and celebrate something very important: Pride Month.

Pride Month serves as a reminder of the progress we have made towards creating a more equitable and inclusive society, as well as the work that still lies ahead. It’s an opportunity for us to reflect on the importance of celebrating and embracing the diverse identities and experiences that enrich our lives with different perspectives. At GOG, we firmly believe that diversity and inclusion are not just buzzwords, but fundamental principles that drive innovation, foster collaboration, and enable us to simply grow as people, as well.

To celebrate Pride Month, our queer team members selected the variety of games containing LGBTQAI+ themes and characters, all available on GOG. Inclusive environments and diverse characters create a safe space to have fun and express yourself for all kinds of gamers!



This time, we decided to choose a slightly different approach, to make browsing LGBTQAI+ games much easier; instead of just one collection, we created a whole page and divided it into categories.

Among such, we’ve created a list of games containing masculine romance representation – we’ve gathered all the games we could think of that include romance representation between male characters. Whether it’s Kerry Eurodyne in Cyberpunk 2077, Kim Kitsuragi in Disco Elysium, or Nailsmith in Hollow Knight, we tried our best to get them all! If you have any other recommendations that slipped our attention though, feel free to share them with us.

Another category you’ll notice is, of course, a set of games containing female romance representation. Through the emotional story of Unpacking, walking alongside protagonists of Life is Strange, getting to know Undyne in Undertale, and even more – we’re sure they’ll all steal your hearts!

In Choose-Your-Gender category, we’ve gathered games that allow you to play around and choose your gender representation in the virtual world freely. It’s a great way to explore your own identity, as well as try to put yourself in other people’s shoes – all while being in the safety of your own game, NPCs, without an ounce of worry about judgement.

Last but not least, we’re proud to present a list of games featuring transgender characters. Representation of trans people in video games is just as important as in any other media – and we couldn’t be happier to see the number of them slowly growing. Meet Claire ( Cyberpunk 2077), Sam ( Normal Lost Phone), Jackie ( Night in the Woods), and many more!



Let’s celebrate Pride Month – and together, make love last forever!
Posted June 07, 2023
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.Keys: I don't want sound, as they call it, 'prejudiced', but, the ESG policies many companies are following nowdays are going to destroy companies productivity in the next few years.
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Vainamoinen: Thanks for your professional business practice prophecies. Studies find the complete opposite though.

https://journals.aom.org/doi/full/10.5465/amj.2019.0468
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212567114001786
https://www.ucdenver.edu/docs/librariesprovider68/default-document-library/jmna-articles-bonuscontent-2.pdf
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323809270_Workforce_Diversity_Improves_the_Productivity_of_an_Organization
https://www.bcg.com/publications/2018/how-diverse-leadership-teams-boost-innovation
I will check them, thanks.
It seems to me though that there are not enough data YET to say ESG policies are going to endure so many years, no.
Albeit they're right now being pushed over society through many organizations, its kinda obvious that they will have short term profit.

In anyway, I will wait and see and thank you for the studies which I will read later today or tomorrow with care. :)

Edit:

Giving a quick look right now, I didn't find anything talking about all the ESG policies, but about Diversity policies, which, is kinda obvious will give profit overall because in a friendlier environment, workflow will, well, work better.

Im not talking about "diversity" only, though, but about arbritrary rules such as companies being forced to only use products that were nature friendly, such as companies now in some contries being forced to deny cattle companies credit if they do not follow said CO2 or the kind, rules.
Post edited June 07, 2023 by .Keys
Posted June 07, 2023
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Lodium: if i say the thers a condition in my argument regarding the past
why shoud it be appplied to the future?
Are you claming we invented some time machine to get the result of medical care anno 20223 back with us to the past?

Yes it seams that youre twisting my words

I sugest less trolling
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mechmouse: I'm not "twisting" your words, I'm trying to unravel them.

You are making no sense

The statestics shoud show there are increased rates suicide before the modern care got implemented
it does not show this
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mechmouse: You are literally saying suicide rates were higher BEFORE modern care.

If you are saying suicide rate went up AFTER the care was implemented, that study clearly states suicide rates remained the same at all stages of Transition (so before hormones, after hormones (ie CARE) and any surgery) for Trans Men and reduced over time for Trans Women.
No im not

If i say the statistics shoud show the rates was high before the modern implemantation
i dont mean after do i?
Where do you see the word after?

So yes, youre twisting my words

The statestics does not show a higher degree of suicide before the modern care

The claim of the activist is that better healthcare shoud reduce this
If thats the case then statestics shoud show increased results of suicide in the past because the conditions were worse in the past
compared to what they are now today 2023 at least in the west
there didnt exist any Gender afirming theraphy in the past wich is exatly my point
Yet there are no data that shows people mass killing themself because they didnt have access to gender afirming
thearaphy
Post edited June 08, 2023 by Lodium
Posted June 08, 2023
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rojimboo: Probably the most disturbing thing I've read on these forums.
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EverNightX: Disorders like anorexia are disturbing. I wish they did not occur.
No, what you wrote was disturbing, particularly the parallel between Pride and mental disorders.

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neumi5694: Oh, you successfully ignored the rest of the post, I am so proud of you.
Not at all. I merely quoted the relevant bits and continued the discussion in the direction it was most probably headed in. Which is what we all do. You ignored vast swathes of my post before that was directed at you, even included some questions, and I was fine with that. So please, be fine with that. Nobody has time to single-sentence-quote-and-reply to all lines in a post.

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neumi5694: And what "he" meant was, that we still live under a foreign government for 105 years now, that schools in our language were forbidden, that people had to change their names to italian if they didn't want to pay higher taxes, that before WW2 they were lured to Germany to serve as low cost workers in new settlements in the east, and to this day the italian government tries to reduce our rights given by our autonomy sanctioned by the UNO.
And yes, despite all that I still think waving flags and anger people is a stupid idea and think that talking is the better solution.
OK, you clearly feel passionate about whatever it is you're talking about. But I'm not sure why you're bringing it up? Why point to the apparent persecution of a different minority, when you're belittling another one, in a Pride thread? I don't get it. You say you don't want people "in your face telling them about who they are and what they want" and "waving flags", yet you seem to be championing a cause for an injustice yourself that has clearly not been given enough awareness. I don't even know what you're talking about specifically actually. Do you not think your cause deserves more attention? Why wouldn't protests/parades/awareness campaigns achieve that? And now flip all of that back to Pride and make it relevant. Now you see it, don't you?
Posted June 08, 2023
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Vainamoinen: Welcome to the 1970s, I guess. It's probably not true, but as the story goes, Socrates thought that language change would destroy the Greek language wholesale within a generation. The fact of the matter is that a language that does not change is factually dead. The problem is that we have to close a lexical gap. I'll gladly repeat that you can either participate in suggesting how we close this lexical gap or use a solution provided by others. What you can't do is pop a vein because some people use language in a certain way. If it's not your cup of tea, don't drink it. Eventually, a completely different generation will decide on how our language will look than the one that's now voting in internet polls.
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Halbzeit: Do not know why you bring Socrates up, as I already said that language is ever changing. I do not challenge this fact. In today's time with social media and algorithms mimicking consent of the populous this no longer holds up. The lexical gap you mention is a odd thing, as it came up in recent years and is referring especially to gender identity in the context of Transhumanism. It seems nobody has bothered with that so called "natural" fact for thousands of years. So what is your lexical gap? A recently thought up ideological concept ?
ok. so.

i'm going to set this up in a very simple way to make it understandable:

long ago and far away lots of civilizations didn't have a concept of a "zero number."

once they figured out that the number zero existed, there was a lexical gap.

how did they deal with it? they came up with words to represent zero.

zero was always there. they just weren't aware of it.

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in this same way, "being trans" has always been there.

we are just now recognizing the fact and as a result, language has to evolve to "solve the problem" of how to address trans people.

this is a puzzle german [and other languages] will have to solve.

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it's really pretty simple.
Posted June 08, 2023
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EverNightX: Be disturbed then.
Yes, thank you, I will continue to be disturbed by this kind of rhetoric from you. You've turned a peaceful celebration of something beautiful and normal to the human species into a mental disorder.

Where you also lambast how people want to be referred to as a community (lEt'S aDd MoRe LeTtErS fOr AnOrExIa!), to add to insult.

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EverNightX: I can't go along with promoting the butchering of healthy bodies so corporations can make profits or the denial of reality.
OK, you need to connect the dots for me here?

Event order:
1. Butchering of healthy bodies
then
2. Corporations make profits
then
3. Denial of reality

Seriously, wtf. Care to expand?
Posted June 08, 2023
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as others have stated: this is a youtube video.

and it is ONE PERSON having SPECIFIC ISSUES.

with any medical treatment, nonsense can/does happen.

now, cite ACTUAL MEDICAL SCIENCE to back up your position, please.
Post edited June 08, 2023 by Clownski_
Posted June 08, 2023
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If you can't even type out what you want to say, then nope. Not gonna happen.

At least provide an introduction to the topic, something so I know what on earth i would have clicked on.

Plus, I believe others already astounded you with science, facts and logic to counter a youtube vid from some random person. Need we go there again?
Post edited June 08, 2023 by Clownski_
Posted June 08, 2023
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mechmouse: I'm not "twisting" your words, I'm trying to unravel them.

You are making no sense

You are literally saying suicide rates were higher BEFORE modern care.

If you are saying suicide rate went up AFTER the care was implemented, that study clearly states suicide rates remained the same at all stages of Transition (so before hormones, after hormones (ie CARE) and any surgery) for Trans Men and reduced over time for Trans Women.
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Lodium: No im not

If i say the statistics shoud show the rates was high before the modern implemantation
i dont mean after do i?
Where do you see the word after?

So yes, youre twisting my words

The statestics does not show a higher degree of suicide before the modern care

The claim of the activist is that better healthcare shoud reduce this
If thats the case then statestics shoud show increased results of suicide in the past because the conditions were worse in the past
compared to what they are now today 2023 at least in the west
there didnt exist any Gender afirming theraphy in the past wich is exatly my point
Yet there are no data that shows people mass killing themself because they didnt have access to gender afirming
thearaphy
Ah I see

So your saying number of suicides in trans people should be higher before modern care, because modern care should make them better.

Ignoring
1) that the suicides are most likely down to social issues such as bigotry
2) You have no way to record suicide of trans people that died as "cis" because they didn't have access to gender affirming care

You can't base a study on data that doesn't exist.
Posted June 08, 2023
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Halbzeit: In today's time with social media and algorithms mimicking consent of the populous this no longer holds up.
Oh I see. When the surveys reject language change, trust them, when they embrace it, they're just "mimicking consent". And large scale consent of a population for political gain was never mimicked successfully before the introduction of the evil internet.

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Halbzeit: The lexical gap you mention is a odd thing, as it came up in recent years and is referring especially to gender identity in the context of Transhumanism. It seems nobody has bothered with that so called "natural" fact for thousands of years. So what is your lexical gap? A recently thought up ideological concept?
Recently? Those affected have always been around. With rising awareness of gender realities, certain lexical gaps in languages become more apparent. The society and culture changes, straining the fabric of communication, seams are tearing up. We mend those seams or run around naked.

"Transhumanism", which we are discussing since at least 1957, has nothing to do with all that though.
Posted June 08, 2023
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Halbzeit: Do not know why you bring Socrates up, as I already said that language is ever changing. I do not challenge this fact. In today's time with social media and algorithms mimicking consent of the populous this no longer holds up. The lexical gap you mention is a odd thing, as it came up in recent years and is referring especially to gender identity in the context of Transhumanism. It seems nobody has bothered with that so called "natural" fact for thousands of years. So what is your lexical gap? A recently thought up ideological concept ?
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lostwolfe: ok. so.

i'm going to set this up in a very simple way to make it understandable:

long ago and far away lots of civilizations didn't have a concept of a "zero number."

once they figured out that the number zero existed, there was a lexical gap.

how did they deal with it? they came up with words to represent zero.

zero was always there. they just weren't aware of it.

---

in this same way, "being trans" has always been there.

we are just now recognizing the fact and as a result, language has to evolve to "solve the problem" of how to address trans people.

this is a puzzle german [and other languages] will have to solve.

---

it's really pretty simple.
I disagree
The concept of 0 is actually descibed in many religous books
The term isnt called 0 but nothingness
or that nothing existed
and then a diety/god/gods or some supernatural event started creating things
Posted June 08, 2023
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GHOSTMD: Take a good look what happens with Target right now
You know right, that the act of threatening an entity with violence in order to achieve your goal, makes a person a what now?

Yes, a tourist. Or a tourrrorrist, as Bush would say.

All because they flew the rainbow flag in June. That's some heavy handed cancellation culture at play here from snow flakes.

Anyways, Go woke, go broke didn't seem to work so well with Disney looking at their financial numbers. And it's funny how not buying Bud Light led to the massive buying of a different brand from the same company Anheuser Busch. Classic self-own.

If you "boycotted" all companies or entities who fly a Pride flag, you wouldn't even be able to function in society. You guys have just conveniently manufactured outrage against a handful of companies for convenience.
Posted June 08, 2023
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EverNightX: If you won't listen to someone who actually is trans, and actually knows this stuff because they lived it, took the drugs, had the surgeries, knows the studies, then nothing I can say will matter to you because you don't want to risk learning the truth.
If you care to articulate what you want to say in this conversation, I'm all for it. My main objection is having to watch a Youtube Vid to glean what you even want to say about the topic matter. I'm not sitting through some anecdotal (hopefully not fraudulent) example of someone verbally discussing a topic when their claims cannot be verified or fact-checked in a written form. Sorry, not sorry.

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EverNightX: But go ahead and virtue signal about supporting the people you won't even listen to.
Love that 4chan speak, "virtue signal". Someday someone might even be able to define what it means. Like, woke.
Posted June 08, 2023
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lostwolfe: ok. so.

i'm going to set this up in a very simple way to make it understandable:

long ago and far away lots of civilizations didn't have a concept of a "zero number."

once they figured out that the number zero existed, there was a lexical gap.

how did they deal with it? they came up with words to represent zero.

zero was always there. they just weren't aware of it.

---

in this same way, "being trans" has always been there.

we are just now recognizing the fact and as a result, language has to evolve to "solve the problem" of how to address trans people.

this is a puzzle german [and other languages] will have to solve.

---

it's really pretty simple.
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Lodium: I disagree
The concept of 0 is actually descibed in many religous books
The term isnt called 0 but nothingness
or that nothing existed
and then a diety/god/gods or some supernatural event started creating things
except that it took a LONG time for that to be codified in - for example maths. and that - from there, it took a long time for that to make language sense. and this, then, is the "lexical gap" i'm describing.
Posted June 08, 2023
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Lodium: No im not

If i say the statistics shoud show the rates was high before the modern implemantation
i dont mean after do i?
Where do you see the word after?

So yes, youre twisting my words

The statestics does not show a higher degree of suicide before the modern care

The claim of the activist is that better healthcare shoud reduce this
If thats the case then statestics shoud show increased results of suicide in the past because the conditions were worse in the past
compared to what they are now today 2023 at least in the west
there didnt exist any Gender afirming theraphy in the past wich is exatly my point
Yet there are no data that shows people mass killing themself because they didnt have access to gender afirming
thearaphy
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mechmouse: Ah I see

So your saying number of suicides in trans people should be higher before modern care, because modern care should make them better.

Ignoring
1) that the suicides are most likely down to social issues such as bigotry
2) You have no way to record suicide of trans people that died as "cis" because they didn't have access to gender affirming care

You can't base a study on data that doesn't exist.
So now youre denying your own statement?
Way to go, you cant pay attention to what you yourself is writing?

And youre still ignoring my points
1
The ammount of bigotry was larger/bigger in the past
id like to remind you that they burned people on the stakes long ago if one was branded as a heretic
2. Yes we do
Trans people according to many commenters here have existed since basicly the dawn of time
So refusing that there doesnt exist any data even not scientific ones doesnt do you any favors
Post edited June 08, 2023 by Lodium
Posted June 08, 2023
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EverNightX: I'll tell you what I mean by virtue signal if you need help. It means trying to make yourself look like a good person.
How do you differentiate someone who actually believes in being a good person, or a cause, or is a good person, with someone who is trying to be a good person or following a cause for appearances sake?

Hint: you've made-up a loose definition for a term that encompasses some things you dislike and think own the libs. What you think exists, doesn't actually. The term implies that the person does not believe in the cause they publicly support. That's a complete assumption on your part, and the only reason you would prefer to assume that is that it is more convenient to think people are as delusional as the one's using terms like "virtue signal".

Newsflash: people might actually believe in the cause they support...
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