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Time4Tea: But, I am also confused about what your original point was supposed to be.
Just so we are clear, I was calling BS on your claim that you intended to spend hundreds on GOG this year.

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Time4Tea: Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what actually happened then, seeing as you seem to know something that we don't?
https://twitter.com/gogcom/status/1339227388438306817

"Earlier today, it was announced that the game Devotion is coming to GOG. After receiving many messages from gamers, we have decided not to list the game in our store."

added the emphasis so you can hopefully figure out why what happened is not the same as "bending a knee to foreign government." even if you don't take GOG's word, it's hyperbolic at best, childish at worst, to state that GOG's walk back on Devotion is "bending a knee to a foreign power" and you obviously can't argue in good faith if you insist that it is.

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Post edited February 06, 2021 by zykour
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Time4Tea: But, I am also confused about what your original point was supposed to be.
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zykour: Just so we are clear, I was calling BS on your claim that you intended to spend hundreds on GOG this year.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, I have spent $50 on Zoom Platform in the past 2 months alone. I can show you the receipts, if you like, and I assume you can extrapolate ...

Do you think there aren't users who spend $100+ on GOG in a year?

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Time4Tea: Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what actually happened then, seeing as you seem to know something that we don't?
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zykour: https://twitter.com/gogcom/status/1339227388438306817

"Earlier today, it was announced that the game Devotion is coming to GOG. After receiving many messages from gamers, we have decided not to list the game in our store."

added the emphasis so you can hopefully figure out why what happened is not the same as "bending a knee to foreign government." even if you don't take GOG's word, it's hyperbolic at best, childish at worst, to state that GOG's walk back on Devotion is "bending a knee to a foreign power" and you obviously can't argue in good faith if you insist that it is.

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Oh, they said it, so it must be true ... hmm. Well, perhaps I don't believe the official line? For a start, no evidence of these 'many messages from gamers' has yet been shown. Secondly, they have publicly received many verifiable messages from gamers (almost 9000 have signed the wishlist request), requesting that they release the game, which GOG have not even responded to. So, the official line is clearly bogus - why would they pull the game at the behest of many Chinese gamers, whilst simultaneously ignoring thousands of others in the rest of the world?

Besides, as has been pointed out several times in this thread, even if they were telling the truth, complaints from Chinese gamers might justify blocking the game from release in China. Pulling it from customers in the rest of the world is totally unjustifiable, regardless of the underlying reason. What happens outside the borders of China is none of the concern of 'Chinese gamers'.
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Hexchild: I think GOG would do well to heed this advice in the future:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyKBr1w4HLQ&t=455s
I have an alternative advisement: Given GOG's PR history, after all.

I don't know if the management is picking the wrong people or sending the wrong messages, but I'd rather they say nothing and appear prudent, than say anything and let the facade fall.
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Time4Tea: But, I am also confused about what your original point was supposed to be.
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zykour: Just so we are clear, I was calling BS on your claim that you intended to spend hundreds on GOG this year.

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Time4Tea: Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what actually happened then, seeing as you seem to know something that we don't?
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zykour: https://twitter.com/gogcom/status/1339227388438306817

"Earlier today, it was announced that the game Devotion is coming to GOG. After receiving many messages from gamers, we have decided not to list the game in our store."

added the emphasis so you can hopefully figure out why what happened is not the same as "bending a knee to foreign government." even if you don't take GOG's word, it's hyperbolic at best, childish at worst, to state that GOG's walk back on Devotion is "bending a knee to a foreign power" and you obviously can't argue in good faith if you insist that it is.

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If this really IS what happened, it's even WORSE than if the Chinese higher-ups were involved. At least in the latter, the argument can be made that GOG would lose the entirety of China from it's customer base. This just says "some crybabies mailed us about a game nobody's forcing them to buy, so we're going back on a promise we made to an indie developer". And OH MY GOD, the questions one can ask...

-How big is "many" here?

-How do we know a solid amount of these messages aren't just bored trolls screwing around?

-How many of these "gamers" use GOG as their main store and not just somewhere they occasionally buy from?

-Referring to my troll point, how many even have an account with GOG?

I'm sure others can chime in with more points to add.

Shit, GOG didn't even put a one-sentence apology to all the people looking forward to the game finally coming back out after a long wait. Watch me bang one out in mere seconds: "To those of you who were looking forward to the game, we sincerely apologize for the disappointment."

Games do stuff that piss off many gamers ALL the damn time. "We're sick of playing a white dude." "What do you mean the main hero's a woman (or gay or a minority or trans or a mixture of any of these)?" "The coding made you have to tweak this feature? That's bullshit!" "EA/Ubisoft/Blizzard is the devil and needs to go under!" Like with the other list, I'm sure others have more stuff to add. Yet those games tend to stay on the shelves despite all this backlash. So what makes Devotion an exception here?

Hell, I get pissed off at games myself. Any game that has a pre-order or backer exclusive that actually effects gameplay is automatically put on my blacklist until it gets made available for everyone, to list one example. But you know what I do in these situations? I DON'T BUY THE FRIGGIN' GAME. What I DON'T do is get a damn pitchfork mob to flood the storefront with hate mail until it gets pulled.

Is this what people are okay with? A future where whiny assholes decide what media we can enjoy? Because fuck that. Don't defend this bullshit.

To be clear here, I'm not saying you do that, zykour. I'm just REALLY irritated and tired at this whole thing.
Post edited February 06, 2021 by WeirdoGeek
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Time4Tea: Is anyone else intending to boycott GOG? Who is with me?
From today on I will boycott gog. It's time that they get punished for their bullshit.
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Time4Tea: Is anyone else intending to boycott GOG? Who is with me?
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viperfdl: From today on I will boycott gog. It's time that they get punished for their bullshit.
Welcome aboard!
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Time4Tea: Is anyone else intending to boycott GOG? Who is with me?
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viperfdl: From today on I will boycott gog. It's time that they get punished for their bullshit.
Cheers! You want to divulge what pushed you over the edge?
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viperfdl: From today on I will boycott gog. It's time that they get punished for their bullshit.
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mrkgnao: Welcome aboard!
Thanks.

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viperfdl: From today on I will boycott gog. It's time that they get punished for their bullshit.
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fronzelneekburm: Cheers! You want to divulge what pushed you over the edge?
I already wrote that in the "Bitch about Life"-thread. Thanks for your interest anyway.
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Time4Tea: I would like to announce that I have decided to boycott GOG for 2021. This is in response to several decisions the site has made over the past year that I believe have been deeply misguided:

Firstly, the continued slippage of GOG's DRM-free values. The promise of 100% DRM-free is what the site was originally founded on and yet GOG seem to be allowing this principle to be increasingly eroded. The games No Man's Sky and Absolver are two examples of games that include single-player DRM, which GOG is aware of and has failed to address. CDPR also seem to continue to believe the rules on GOG don't apply to their own games, firstly with Gwent and more recently the DRMed single-player rewards built into Cyberpunk. In addition, GOG's recent deal with Epic appears to be a cover for GOG to start selling DRMed games.

Next, the continued heavy pushing of Galaxy and the lack of maintenance of the offline installers. Several times in recent months, GOG has given incentives only to Galaxy users in the form of bonus content or free games. This has the effect of making non-Galaxy users feel like second-class customers. Also, there many well documented cases of GOG neglecting to update offline installers, even though they are updating the Galaxy versions, so they clearly have the updated files. This is not acceptable - offline installers are the core of the DRM-free concept. All of this points to a worrying trend which may ultimately lead to GOG abandoning offline installers entirely and making Galaxy mandatory.

Lastly, the recent debacle with Devotion. I won't repeat everything that has been said about this in other threads, but GOG's decision to be complicit in imposing Chinese censorship on non-Chinese users is simply unacceptable. The game needs to be released on GOG immediately.

Actions I would like to see GOG taking:

1) Release Devotion immediately.
2) Remove Gwent, No Man's Sky, Absolver (and any other DRMed games) from the store.
3) Remove DRM from the bonus cosmetics in Cyberpunk.
4) Cancel the deal with Epic.
5) Stop providing free games/incentives only to Galaxy users.
6) Assign adequate resources to maintenance of the offline installers.

For me to make any purchases on GOG this year, #1 needs to happen and at least a couple of the others. I.e. I want to see clear signs of a change in trajectory of the site, away from it's current misguided direction towards being a weak Steam competitor and back towards the principles it was founded on. I had been planning to spend $150-200 on GOG this year, but instead I will be spending that at Zoom Platform, to help build up a viable DRM-free alternative store.

Is anyone else intending to boycott GOG? Who is with me?
boycotts don't work

didn't you learn anything from Call of Duty and GamerGate
Post edited February 09, 2021 by chen182
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Time4Tea: ( an entire copy of OP post which chen182 didn't bother to trim down for visibility / usability sake when quoting )
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chen182: boycotts don't work

didn't you learn anything from Call of Duty and GamerGate
History books say otherwise. There is plenty of examples.
Seriously, don't put EVERY SINGLE ONE in the same bag :S
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chen182: boycotts don't work

didn't you learn anything from Call of Duty and GamerGate
What does work, then?
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Time4Tea: I would like to announce that I have decided to boycott GOG for 2021. This is in response to several decisions the site has made over the past year that I believe have been deeply misguided:

Firstly, the continued slippage of GOG's DRM-free values. The promise of 100% DRM-free is what the site was originally founded on and yet GOG seem to be allowing this principle to be increasingly eroded. The games No Man's Sky and Absolver are two examples of games that include single-player DRM, which GOG is aware of and has failed to address. CDPR also seem to continue to believe the rules on GOG don't apply to their own games, firstly with Gwent and more recently the DRMed single-player rewards built into Cyberpunk. In addition, GOG's recent deal with Epic appears to be a cover for GOG to start selling DRMed games.

Next, the continued heavy pushing of Galaxy and the lack of maintenance of the offline installers. Several times in recent months, GOG has given incentives only to Galaxy users in the form of bonus content or free games. This has the effect of making non-Galaxy users feel like second-class customers. Also, there many well documented cases of GOG neglecting to update offline installers, even though they are updating the Galaxy versions, so they clearly have the updated files. This is not acceptable - offline installers are the core of the DRM-free concept. All of this points to a worrying trend which may ultimately lead to GOG abandoning offline installers entirely and making Galaxy mandatory.

Lastly, the recent debacle with Devotion. I won't repeat everything that has been said about this in other threads, but GOG's decision to be complicit in imposing Chinese censorship on non-Chinese users is simply unacceptable. The game needs to be released on GOG immediately.

Actions I would like to see GOG taking:

1) Release Devotion immediately.
2) Remove Gwent, No Man's Sky, Absolver (and any other DRMed games) from the store.
3) Remove DRM from the bonus cosmetics in Cyberpunk.
4) Cancel the deal with Epic.
5) Stop providing free games/incentives only to Galaxy users.
6) Assign adequate resources to maintenance of the offline installers.

For me to make any purchases on GOG this year, #1 needs to happen and at least a couple of the others. I.e. I want to see clear signs of a change in trajectory of the site, away from it's current misguided direction towards being a weak Steam competitor and back towards the principles it was founded on. I had been planning to spend $150-200 on GOG this year, but instead I will be spending that at Zoom Platform, to help build up a viable DRM-free alternative store.

Is anyone else intending to boycott GOG? Who is with me?

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People who are boycotting, to whatever degree they're comfortable with:
1) Time4Tea
2) Lifthrasil
3) mrkgnao
4) joppo
5) kdgog
6) Ancient-Red-Dragon
7) ReynardFox
8) Seceroth
9) TencentInvestor
10) pearnon
11) Leevi
12) gloombandit
13) fronzelneekburm
14) MajicMan
15) Chaossaturn
16) john_hatcher
17) Grahor
18) Orkhepaj
19) rjbuffchix
20) B1tF1ghter
21) _Auster_
22) HappyPunkPotato
23) llamas
24) rtcvb32
25) Setilla
26) fr33kSh0w2012
27) Hexchild
28) GreasyDogMeat
29) GlorFindel
30) Vendor-Lazarus
31) DevotedTitan
32) Zegpi
33) gargus
34) DrearierSpider
35) WeirdoGeek
36) Zorzy
37) Kohleran
38) plagren
39) Lesser Blight Elemental
40) Captainchicken84
41) dycaite
42) Amiko Novich
43) gloombandit
44) Agent-94
45) evilprotoss
46) TrueBlueGamer
47) faldofas
48) kaileena
49) ShadowXOR
50) Adoru
51) g00dbye
52) LordJF
53) nevasith
54) TormentFan
55) ApeKing
56) Dalswyn
57) aiMute
58) lazydog
59) Shendue
60) classic-gamer
61) nevasith
62) ResidentLeever
63) nightcraw1er.488
64) DesmondOC
65) AstralWanderer
66) Cavalary
67) hollibolli1970
68) sebastelian
69) FateIsOneEdge
70) theseawulf
71) QueenAdrian
72) A CRICKET RIDING A TUMBLEWEED
73) RETRON84

People who are sympathetic to the concept:
1) Breja
2) TerriblePurpose
3) morolf
4) DukeNukemForever
5) McMicroDonalds
6) WinterSnowfall
7) flanner
8) Dogmaus
9) GamezRanker
10) PirroEpirote
11) Paliper
12) W3irdN3rd
13) FiatLux
14) MasterW
15) InSaintMonoxide
16) Jorev
17) TheDcoder
18) shih1976
19) Djungelurban
20) Wishmaster777
21) Kyousuke
22) Darvond
23) viperfdl
24) The_Puppet94

(current as of post #1024)
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chen182: boycotts don't work

didn't you learn anything from Call of Duty and GamerGate
Yes, I'm sure the last thing a business is going to care about is when something it does results in a huge drop in customer base and profit coupled with an awful reputation...
Thinking about it, how many stores are there that would allow a thread on their official forum calling for a boycott of said store? :p

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Time4Tea: ...
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chen182: boycotts don't work

didn't you learn anything from Call of Duty and GamerGate
okay but the least you could do is edit out that long list/post, similar to what I did
you people entirely missed my point.

Boycotts don't work because consumers, especially GAMERS don't care. It has nothing to do with the companies not caring

They will still buy it anyway even if they tell you they didn't.

Just like the famous image of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and 3
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Post edited February 09, 2021 by chen182
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chen182: you people entirely missed my point.

Boycotts don't work because consumers, especially GAMERS don't care. It has nothing to do with the companies not caring

They will still buy it anyway even if they tell you they didn't.

Just like the famous image of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and 3
So we should just not bother then? Just roll over and accept being screwed over?

Also bullshit, companies are actively banking on consumers apathy, expecting them to give in, then forget about dirty moves, they really don't care and are just as much to blame for the situation as lazy gamers are.

As is trying to convince people not to bother fighting.