Auron111: @B1tF1ghter Not sure why your post is shown as "low rated"

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Well this is the definition from the Encyclopedia Britannica
Digital rights management (DRM), protection of copyrighted works by various means to control or prevent digital copies from being shared over computer networks or telecommunications networks.

So if we are going to go by the actual definition of what DRM is ... then as long as you can share your digital games (which you can) then you have DRM free games from GOG.
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B1tF1ghter: So if we are supposed to be reading between lines to come to the conclusion that GOG which allegedly wants to mass market their future Witcher mobile game in "cash market" (aka China) and they potentially obliterated Devotion release to not get blasted by Chinese gov into retreating from Chinese market, well, then why not just block it on your "GOG China" since you clearly are more than likely to release your "Witcher mobile" on it and not on "main" GOG in terms of it's distribution specificly in China?

Auron111: And when looking at the About GOG page I see the following :

Owning the things you buy
We don't believe in controlling you and your games. Here, you won't be locked out of titles you paid for, or constantly asked to prove you own them - this is DRM-free gaming.

Now just based of this alone, since you have offline installers for your games that never require to be online to play them or prove you own then. Then GOG is fulfilling its DRM Free promise as they promise nothing more.

Now this is simple for 100% single player games, you download you install you play job done (Rebel Galaxy)

Games with built in or heavily focuses on online play however are obviously different as they want you to play the online component. (No Mans Sky)

So from what I can gather, people are saying No Mans Sky has DRM in it because if you want certain things you have to be online which you can't get playing offline without editing your save ??
If this is correct.. well that is not DRM. You are still able to play the game from start to finish offline without going online which is what GOG class as DRM Free. If you don't want to play all aspects of the game you are not going to get all the rewards it is that simple and no you are not entitled to everything just because you don't want to play online.

Auron111: A good example of this would be Dark souls, you can play the game from start to finish online or offline making it DRM Free. However say it had a PVP covenant with rewards but you don't want to play online... then you are obviously not going to be getting the rewards are you ?
No one that I know who plays Dark souls would consider this DRM because it isn't, and no would say it should be made available to those who want to play offline.

Auron111: Now about the ... weird argument against the Galaxy launcher ... GOG Says the following:
Galaxy is the tailor-made optional client that adds features like cloud saves, update roll-backs, crossplay, achievements, is a convenient way to install & update games, and stay in touch with friends.

Now I do agree that offline installers should not be ignored but updated as soon as they become available on Galaxy.
However if people get rewarded for using an optional software makes you feel like a second class customer....then that is a you problem sorry ..that is a rather petty reason to complain.

ReynardFox: I strongly suspect the reason GOG lost the ability to do exactly this is because they managed to hire some of the most absolutely toeheaded, mouthbreathing, rock-dwelling hyper-cretins possible to run their PR, and one of them went and blatantly, proudly advertised a Taiwanese game release right there on friggin' Chinese Twitter.

The moment that happened you just know that the 'many complaints from gamers' almost certainly came from a deluge of Wumao scum and Chinese residents pretending to be offended in a shameless attempt at gaining cheap social credit score points by defending their fearless stuffed bear.

This of course leading to GOG shitting themselves and making everything worse because they never stop to think before they react.

Captainchicken84: This is how people are attcked by gogs troll army, when they mention devotion under their (gogs) posts:

https://ibb.co/QMWFdy1

https://ibb.co/QMWFdy1

https://ibb.co/ZTXxbgq

https://ibb.co/16PLTG5

https://ibb.co/6Xhk3sK

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rjbuffchix: Why should any of us care about the anecdotal evidence of people you know who play Dark Souls...I would simply say they would be mischaracterizing the issue. In other words, all of the "reductio ad absurdum" attempts like this in your post can simply be accepted...i.e., yes, we are actually saying we would consider (at least that online portion) to be DRMed. Instead of making excuses for why it's not really DRM, or is "DRM-adjacent" or some such thing, I would rather just demand better.

Time4Tea: I would like to announce that I have decided to boycott GOG for 2021. This is in response to several decisions the site has made over the past year that I believe have been deeply misguided:

Firstly, the continued slippage of GOG's DRM-free values. The promise of 100% DRM-free is what the site was originally founded on and yet GOG seem to be allowing this principle to be increasingly eroded. The games No Man's Sky and Absolver are two examples of games that include single-player DRM, which GOG is aware of and has failed to address. CDPR also seem to continue to believe the rules on GOG don't apply to their own games, firstly with Gwent and more recently the DRMed single-player rewards built into Cyberpunk. In addition, GOG's recent deal with Epic appears to be a cover for GOG to start selling DRMed games.

Next, the continued heavy pushing of Galaxy and the lack of maintenance of the offline installers. Several times in recent months, GOG has given incentives only to Galaxy users in the form of bonus content or free games. This has the effect of making non-Galaxy users feel like second-class customers. Also, there many well documented cases of GOG neglecting to update offline installers, even though they are updating the Galaxy versions, so they clearly have the updated files. This is not acceptable - offline installers are the core of the DRM-free concept. All of this points to a worrying trend which may ultimately lead to GOG abandoning offline installers entirely and making Galaxy mandatory.

Lastly, the recent debacle with Devotion. I won't repeat everything that has been said about this in other threads, but GOG's decision to be complicit in imposing Chinese censorship on non-Chinese users is simply unacceptable. The game needs to be released on GOG immediately.

Actions I would like to see GOG taking:

1) Release Devotion immediately.
2) Remove Gwent, No Man's Sky, Absolver (and any other DRMed games) from the store.
3) Remove DRM from the bonus cosmetics in Cyberpunk.
4) Cancel the deal with Epic.
5) Stop providing free games/incentives only to Galaxy users.
6) Assign adequate resources to maintenance of the offline installers.

For me to make any purchases on GOG this year, #1 needs to happen and at least a couple of the others. I.e. I want to see clear signs of a change in trajectory of the site, away from it's current misguided direction towards being a weak Steam competitor and back towards the principles it was founded on. I had been planning to spend $150-200 on GOG this year, but instead I will be spending that at Zoom Platform, to help build up a viable DRM-free alternative store.

Is anyone else intending to boycott GOG? Who is with me?

Edit:

People who are boycotting, to whatever degree they're comfortable with:
1) Time4Tea
2) Lifthrasil
3) mrkgnao
4) joppo
5) kdgog
6) Ancient-Red-Dragon
7) ReynardFox
8) Seceroth
9) TencentInvestor
10) pearnon
11) Leevi
12) gloombandit
13) fronzelneekburm
14) MajicMan
15) Chaossaturn
16) john_hatcher
17) Grahor
18) Orkhepaj
19) rjbuffchix
20) B1tF1ghter
21) _Auster_
22) HappyPunkPotato
23) llamas
24) rtcvb32
25) Setilla
26) fr33kSh0w2012
27) Hexchild
28) GreasyDogMeat
29) GlorFindel
30) Vendor-Lazarus
31) DevotedTitan
32) Zegpi
33) gargus
34) DrearierSpider
35) WeirdoGeek
36) Zorzy
37) Kohleran
38) plagren
39) Lesser Blight Elemental
40) Captainchicken84
41) dycaite
42) Amiko Novich
43) gloombandit
44) Agent-94
45) evilprotoss
46) TrueBlueGamer
47) faldofas
48) kaileena
49) ShadowXOR
50) Adoru
51) g00dbye
52) LordJF
53) nevasith
54) TormentFan
55) ApeKing
56) Dalswyn
57) aiMute
58) lazydog
59) Shendue
60) classic-gamer
61) nevasith
62) ResidentLeever
63) nightcraw1er.488
64) DesmondOC
65) AstralWanderer
66) Cavalary
67) hollibolli1970
68) sebastelian
69) FateIsOneEdge
70) theseawulf
71) QueenAdrian
72) A CRICKET RIDING A TUMBLEWEED

People who are sympathetic to the concept:
1) Breja
2) TerriblePurpose
3) morolf
4) DukeNukemForever
5) McMicroDonalds
6) WinterSnowfall
7) flanner
8) Dogmaus
9) GamezRanker
10) PirroEpirote
11) Paliper
12) W3irdN3rd
13) FiatLux
14) MasterW
15) InSaintMonoxide
16) Jorev
17) TheDcoder
18) shih1976
19) Djungelurban
20) Wishmaster777
21) Kyousuke
22) Darvond
23) viperfdl
24) The_Puppet94

(current as of post #993)

RETRON84: Hunie Pop 2 will be released uncensored everywhere *except GOG*.

https://www.huniepot.com/post/642236167309459456/huniepop-2-release-faq

I've abandoned GOG since this place backpedalled on Devotion to appease the CCP so I just came back to laugh at you.

fronzelneekburm: lol, pathetic!

Absolutely pathetic.

oldschool: I am, and always will be a GOG supporter for life.

B1tF1ghter: Oh yeah, "how dare you compain that we claim one thing (ALWAYS optional Galaxy) and do something different (Galaxy MANDATORY to get some additional content or the most up to date offline installers)".
Sigh.

oldschool: You have made some good points, however, I am, and always will be a GOG supporter for life.

RETRON84: Hunie Pop 2 will be released uncensored everywhere *except GOG*.

https://www.huniepot.com/post/642236167309459456/huniepop-2-release-faq

I've abandoned GOG since this place backpedalled on Devotion to appease the CCP so I just came back to laugh at you.