As the other user said, GOG removed it. Lol/smh.....GOG managed to clean up that wishlist entry in short order, yet seems to drag it's feet with every other wishlist cleanup/change request.

That aside, GOG(company) must really be worried about bad PR if they removed a wishlist entry.

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Then Gog would very likely cry "duplicate thread" and lock em in short order.
(especially if they talked about the russian customer ban, I suspect)

Question(s): Why the seemingly sudden need to "focus" the boycott thread's list of reasons for boycotting? You were ok with everyone boycotting for whatever reason(s) before, but since the russian customer ban that seems to have changed. Are you trying to disassociate from the critics of the russian customer ban, by any chance?

Please update it again to take me off your list. The issue of censorship pertaining to a certain region in the OP is functionally quite similar to the new issue of censorship pertaining to a certain region. I understand not wanting the topic to be derailed or locked; I have posted urging people to tone down the political comments and keep their comments strictly relevant to the boycott. It just seems to me the best way would be to nicely ask mods to address those comments, while letting the rest of us boycott for whatever reason, discussing (even debating) accordingly.

It has been clear to me that there are people boycotting for reasons other than DRM creep and censorship. If you reconsider your proposed change in direction, and leave the thread intact for people boycotting for whatever reason they want, then please do keep me on the list. Btw, I do not mean any of this as a personal attack, nor am I trying to call you a hypocrite (neither a faux fake one, nor otherwise). Really appreciate all you've done in this topic to keep things organized in addition to your calling out DRM and censorship.

That said, may I add this changing the topic comes off as kind of weird in light of the fact you are not the "leader" nor is anyone else? Perhaps I misunderstood the topic previously, which is possible, but it seems to me this boycott is a decentralized collection of individuals with similar but not necessarily compatible goals...not people following one person or the other. To move the topic in a different direction in a manner I see as unilaterally (correct me if there is overwhelming outpouring of people who want this) seems against the spirit of the boycott, to me.

platform zoom is not a real option. Their catalog is very poor. The only non-drm store with the capacity to grow and that has a significant user base is gog

I am in favor of boycotting GOG. I'll walk away from GOG I don't believe they made the right decision. It's so frustrating having to boycott a company that you actually like.

A the thread is still going and it seems you are all still there….. what a surprise

What should GOG do about this alt account of yours?

Not alt account second. It seems you still don’t have a job and life yet….poor soul

Hi rjbuffchix, to address your post, first let me ask you a question:

What if a significant number of people who have already signed on the list are actually in support of GOG's decision re. Russia?

Even if it's not a majority, if it is 30-40%, then from their point-of-view, adding that reason to the boycott list after they have signed would seem rather like a 'bait and switch' wouldn't it? I don't think you know that it is not the case that a significant number of signers are in support and it is easy to assume that a large majority shares your opinion. But, I think you are making a big assumption here. From my point-of-view, You and others are giving me an ultimatum, that you are going to leave the boycott unless I do something that may be effectively pulling a bait and switch on a load of people who have previously signed onto the list. So, this is putting me rather in a 'rock and a hard place' situation, where I am not sure there will be any good way to resolve this.

The current list of boycott 'issues' was composed very early on in the thread and I have been resistant to adding new items to a list that over 100 people have signed. I wouldn't want to do that without at least consulting the current signers. I see GOG's decision to block Russia as potentially highly divisive. I had hoped to avoid the issue tearing apart the boycott protest by keeping it focused on DRM and censorship, but it seems I am not going to be allowed to do that.

I disagree very strongly that GOG's decision to cease doing business in Russia amounts to censorship. No, censorship is the selective blocking or controlling of certain media, because the content of the media is deemed to be offensive or undesirable. GOG has made a blanket decision to stop doing business in Russia because of the country's involvement in an active conflict. Their decision affects all games in their catalogue equally, including CDPR's own games. It is not in any way censorship and is not compatible with the issues this boycott thread was originally set up to address.

Yes, there are people boycotting GOG for other reasons; however, this thread was set up to focus on two key issues, which are DRM and censorship of video games. It is clear from the first post and the list that is shown there that is the case and, as I said, I have always taken a policy of being resistant to adding new issues to a list that a large number of people have signed.

Firstly, I don't see the proposed change to the thread title as 'moving the topic in a different direction'. In my mind, the protest has always been intended to focus on the two key issues mentioned, so changing the title is simply an effort to clarify that. Imo, a move towards the thread being more of a general boycott and allowing anyone to sign on for any reason under the sun would be a bigger change of direction. The thread has always, since the start, intended to highlight DRM and censorship of games on GOG and that is very clear from the first post.

Secondly, yes you are of course right that I am not the 'leader' or 'owner' of the boycott. It's not my boycott and I see myself more as a facilitator or perhaps spokesperson for those who have already signed onto the list.

So, what I propose to do then is to have a vote on whether to keep the boycott focused on the two issues it was set up over, or to make it more of a general boycott for anyone who wants to boycott GOG, regardless of the reason. Does that seem reasonable?

Come on, don't be obtuse. I am suggesting that people should make separate, individual forum threads for different reasons they may be boycotting over (such as bad customer support or curation). It's not that difficult to do.

Alright everyone, looks like we are going to need to have a vote:

A) This thread should stay focused on the two issues that it was originally set up to highlight, which are DRM and censorship of games on GOG.com. The thread title should also be changed to clarify.

B) This thread should be a 'catch-all' list of people who want to boycott GOG for any reason. It is therefore intended to be 'the boycott thread', where anyone who wants to boycott GOG for any reason should sign up.

I am very strongly in favor of A and that is how I am voting. In my mind, option B is a bad idea (but I am happy to hear other opinions). The GOG userbase seems to be quite fragmented and divided on many issues. Some people seem to be very passionate about certain issues, but not bothered by others, which other people are more passionate about. Option B would be likely to lead to confusion over who is boycotting for what and a lack of clarity over what the most important issues are, which would provide less useful information to GOG. It might even end up with people signing up who are boycotting for completely opposite reasons that are not compatible.

In short, I feel that option B would not be a good choice. It would be a poor course of action that will not be effective and might even spell the demise of this boycott protest.

Therefore, if option B is chosen, I will be stepping down as the 'facilitator' of this boycott thread and somebody else will need to step up to manage the list going forward.

Anyone who is signed up on the list is welcome to vote, including people that were on the list until GOG's recent Russia decision. I also propose that we give the vote 2 weeks, since I don't know how often previous signers log onto the GOG forum to check up.

Hey Time4Tea, thanks for responding so thoroughly.

No, to me, it wouldn't. Because I am viewing it from the outset as a general boycott thread, concentrated but not limited to the main issues of censorship and DRM. Even those being the standard is up for "debate" as it were, considering that some people may only care about one issue but not the other. For instance, someone like me whose boycotting revolves around DRM and not at all around Devotion not releasing here, even if it could be shown that a majority are boycotting due to their opinion on Devotion not releasing here.

And from my point of view you are the one who first gave the ultimatum in the last few days, by suggesting the boycotting topic must only be about censorship (your take on censorship, at that) and DRM creep.

Don't know about other folks, but I am relatively fine with you not adding items. I do think it would make it easier, as another user suggested, to put reasons for boycotting next to each user (provided in their own words) on their list. But I don't think that "needs" to happen; just that it may make it easier if GOG actually cared to address concerns. Yes, this means that some users would have contradictory boycotting reasons to others. I have discussed as much in previous posts and suggested GOG should start by focusing on the issues where there isn't a lot of disagreement. For example, no one seems to be in favor of the DRMed cosmetic content in Cyberpunk -at best, people are neutral- so maybe GOG could do some of the "easy fixes" first before delving into the Russia/China type stuff (though both are, debatably, issues of GOG's own making that needn't have occurred to require fixing at all).

I am not saying it is a 1:1 analogy; in fact, it seems to be a sort of inverse(?) situation. Your definition of "censorship" seems a bit narrowly tailored compared to the looser definition of "boycott" within this topic, for whatever that's worth. In any case, my point was more to say it falls under the same umbrella in my view...I don't think we will get too far debating definitions so I am willing to drop this point for the moment in the interest of expedient discussion. Food for thought, "countries" are a legal fiction in the same way that corporations are "people", so that is a non-starter on why individuals on one piece of grass can't buy something while individuals on another piece of grass can.

Also, since I answered your earlier question, please allow me to ask:
Would you welcome someone who boycotts solely/mostly due to GOG no longer having "one world one price" policy?

How so? The thread can still highlight those things (even leaving aside the issue of whether blocking certain customers is part of "censorship" prong or not). I would think most people are here for one or the other (or both); the main issues would still be highlighted. As far as I can tell, the majority of discussion in this thread so far has dealt with DRM.

If a couple people come in and say they are boycotting too, but for them it is due to adult games being on GOG, or lack of achievements, or whatever else, I don't think that necessarily dilutes the boycott. It shows there are even more dissatisfied customers, which to me strengthens the boycott for the time being. If over time the majority of boycotters are here for other issues and don't care about DRM/censorship as you define it, then I can see how, on paper, that could possibly dilute things.

However, I think that is a generally low risk in practice since if someone is willing to boycott, they are probably willing to find common ground unless their personal reason is completely contradictory. In other words, it is extremely unlikely that new hypothetical people would join with a reason like "games here are not DRMed enough" squeezing out those of us boycotting due to DRM. Again, I'll note that people in this topic already find common ground to some degree: some people care more/only about censorship of Devotion, others care more/only about DRM creep.

B.

I'm not sure which option is the best but I would like to stay on the list which ever one is chosen. If it does become a general boycott thread, there could be a numbered list of reasons on the first post and people could have the numbers of the reasons they care about listed after their name.

lYes, and I told you that this is "peak retardery" and I told you to take me off the list, yet you didn't take me off the list. Now, who is being obtuse? Now take me off the fucking list.

I didn't sign up so I cannot vote, but I can still give you my opinion as somebody from the "outside", as I said multiple times, a boycott is a question of communication and in communication one of the most important thing is to have clear message.

Same thing for a boycott, if you want to have any chance or ever accomplishing anything you need a clear goal/message.

Even the whole "DRM + censorship" is IMO already too much. For example "We boycott Gog until they sell Devotion" that's a clear and understandable boycott goal, but if you have "We boycott Gog until they sell Devotion... and/or stop having online rewards / DRM... and/or resume selling to Russia... and/or cancel the EPIC deal... and/or abandon Galaxy... and/or twenty others things..." it is not a boycott it's just some peoples venting their griefs against Gog.

Thanks for your input, HappyPunkPotato. I think unfortunately your suggestion would be too much work to manage. Every time a reason gets added to the list, we would have to re-canvas all of the current signers, to see whether or not they agree with it, and then update them all.

This is another reason that, imo, having separate boycott threads for different issues would make more sense, because then each one could be managed by a different person, which would spread the load a bit more. The main reason I am willing to spend my time managing the current list is because I strongly agree with and believe in the specific issues that are being highlighted. I would personally be much less motivated to manage a more general 'catch-all' list.

Unfortunately, it says quite a lot about the state of GOG right now, that there are so many possible reasons that people could boycott, that it's too much work for one person to manage.

"Come to GOG! The fantastic online game store where you have a smorgasboard of possible choices for your boycott ..." XD

Based on how much of the OP is worded from a personal viewpoint, and because the focus is not on a single specific issue, I always took the list of issues there as your most significant personal peeves with GOG, and much less so a list of issues we all are expected to share.

But though we don't necessarily agree on everything, DRM creep and censorship are for sure among the oh so many peeves that all add up to the critical mass for me.

And you do have a point about resisting changes since different people will have different takes on it (as is abundantly evidenced in this thread).

It was my impression that this has already happened, on multiple occasions.

As already stated above, from a very basic standpoint I have a preference toward B, but I do recognize that there are problems with that option.

So feel free to consider mine a blank vote since I don't really have a good answer and I frankly don't have that much of a personal stake in the outcome anyway (I'd likely stick around regardless).