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darthspudius: He hasn't went to war with Western Europe. He's sorting out a problem that Nato, a meddling America and an overly cocky Ukraine started. He's also bringing water back to Crimea, which Ukraine oh so innocently blocked out of spite. There's then the problems with the two independent states that Ukraine have been blasting (in multiple ways) since 2014. He's got EVERY right to take it to Ukraine. They've done some seriously questionable stuff since the coup. With NATO breaking their promise not to expand to their borders and America poking their nose where it shouldn't be, I'd be right pissed off too.
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lumengloriosum: Don't forget the Minsk Agreement signed by Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE (Swiss Diplomat), aided by the Normandy Front that Ukraine violated.
Don't forget 1994 Budapest Memorandum that russia violated.
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you guys can add my name to the list
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LiefLayer: I gladly do without it if it means being a fascist happy with an invasion of a free country.
That said, just read your comment to understand who has a brain and who doesn't.

And after all why amaze me, in the past there were partisans and those enlisted with the Nazis / Fascists in the republic of Salò. The resistance against the fascists. In the end, nothing has changed.
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wodemao: You are correct, unfortunately you are the one defending neo-nazists.
Except they are not. The endorsement from the Ukraine goverment of far right movements like Azov has been purely utilitarisitc (they helped defend the borders from external aggression and russian separatists), but I don't condone it and I think the government should publicly neglect them and remove them from their semi-public status as part of the national guard.
That said, it's useful to remind to people that evidently were subject to internet misinformation and piloted propaganda spread on media and internet itself from Russia that far right movements have always performed miserably at the elections and people actually partecipated in public demonstrations against them several times. The president of Ukraine, Zelensky, is jewish. Volodymyr Groysman, former prime minister of Ukraine, is jewish.
Saying Ukraine is a country of neo-nazis is like saying Italy is fascist because of a bunch of Casapound idiots.

The reasons Putin is attacking Ukraine are mainly 2:

First, Ukraine is geographically strategic for Russia from a military point of view. If Ukraine were to enter NATO, Russia would have to defend a much larger border than they do now, in case Europe and US ever get nuts and decide to attack Russia (which isn't happening, Putin is simply paranoid).

Second, and most importantly, natural resources. Ukraine discovered in Crimea one of the largest sources of natural gas in the world, in the last few years. Which is why Russia occupied it in 2014. If they didn't, and Ukraine entered the EU, they would have had the resources to extract huge quantities of shale gas from Crimea and they would have been direct competition to Russia, whose economy shrunk considerably in the last few decades and that depend for about 50% of their whole GDP from gas exports.
Ukraine, having been kicked out of Crimea, responded by cutting the water supplies of the crimean peninsula, which has 'til then been suffering from lack of potable water, forcing Russia to spend a considerable amount of money. The objective of Russia is simply to gain full control of those gas resources and prevent Ukraine from eventually get them back if they ever happen to enter NATO and gain support from them to take back Crimea.

Don't be fooled by propaganda. This is 100% a war driven by money, greed and power. They want that juicy shale gas.
Mind that the very same arguments Putin is using now are those he used when they invaded Georgia a few years ago. Carbon copy. They said there were 2 regions that wanted to be recognized as independent and "asked protection" from Russia and used it as an excuse to attack. It's a propaganda strategy.

Unfortunately, nowadays, people seem to mistrust EVERYTHING. You post a video on Youtube, hundreds of people immedtiately say it's a fake.
Therefore, it's stupidly easy to turn the tables and convince them, especially the younger, more impressionable ones, that someone who is apparently a victim is actually the guilty part. Well, flash news: reality is very much more complicated than that. There is no "nice people" and "bad people". EVERY country made, and makes, morally questionable things. USA, Italy, Ukraine, Russia, you name it.
That said, and given that "let him who is without sin cast the first stone", in this particular situation Russia is very much in the wrong, no matter how you look at it.
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LiefLayer: Even if it were all true (and I am convinced that much of it is regime propaganda) I am worried today as putin threatens nuclear war and is causing a massacre.
Frankly, whatever happened from 2014 until the beginning of the invasion pales in comparison even if it was all true and not just russian propaganda. I would add, Russia cannot moralize anyone. They've been arresting and killing a lot of people for decades.
1) You realise Putin threatening Nuclear War means Russia will be struck with Nuclear Warheads? It's a way to get nations that don't have nuclear weapons to keep in line. The issue of will America use nuclear weapons because the Soviet Union invaded Western Germany in the Cold War was a thing. Russians have for years always rattled about using nuclear warheads. The Soviets have been threatening it with the Cuban Missile Crisis in the 60s. Everyone is in hysterics right now, simply relax.

2) That of which I told you was from multiple sources such as BBC and RT and independent journalism. Alot of this is reported over 5 years ago. If you can whitewash that as nothing more than regime propaganda, why on earth are you so insistent on defending your own understanding which is influenced by another media that has its own intents? You don't have to like Putin, simply just appreciate that this issue with Ukraine didn't spring up in 2022, it was nearly 10 years in the making. And if it wasn't the Ukraine, it would have been Georgia or Kazakhstan, and people would be simply saying they stand with those countries. It's simply hysteria and virtue signalling.

3) It's not about moralising, it's about Casus Belli. Russia claimed denatsification. We have reports of the Natisifed Azov Battalion, independent journalists reporting from independent sources of Russian News. Canadian Defence Ministers were aware and so was the U.S. House of Representatives, so too The Pentagon.

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lumengloriosum: Don't forget the Minsk Agreement signed by Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE (Swiss Diplomat), aided by the Normandy Front that Ukraine violated.
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ValentB: Don't forget 1994 Budapest Memorandum that russia violated.
And in a legal framework, which becomes the major issue? Minsk or Budapest?

Should we talk about Ukraine seeking its own nuclear arsenal violating the Non-Proliferation state of Ukraine?
Post edited March 04, 2022 by lumengloriosum
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LiefLayer: Even if it were all true (and I am convinced that much of it is regime propaganda) I am worried today as putin threatens nuclear war and is causing a massacre.
Frankly, whatever happened from 2014 until the beginning of the invasion pales in comparison even if it was all true and not just russian propaganda. I would add, Russia cannot moralize anyone. They've been arresting and killing a lot of people for decades.
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lumengloriosum: 1) You realise Putin threatening Nuclear War means Russia will be struck with Nuclear Warheads? It's a way to get nations that don't have nuclear weapons to keep in line. The issue of will America use nuclear weapons because the Soviet Union invaded Western Germany in the Cold War was a thing. Russians have for years always rattled about using nuclear warheads. The Soviets have been threatening it with the Cuban Missile Crisis in the 60s. Everyone is in hysterics right now, simply relax.

2) That of which I told you was from multiple sources such as BBC and RT and independent journalism. Alot of this is reported over 5 years ago. If you can whitewash that as nothing more than regime propaganda, why on earth are you so insistent on defending your own understanding which is influenced by another media that has its own intents? You don't have to like Putin, simply just appreciate that this issue with Ukraine didn't spring up in 2022, it was nearly 10 years in the making. And if it wasn't the Ukraine, it would have been Georgia or Kazakhstan, and people would be simply saying they stand with those countries. It's simply hysteria and virtue signalling.

3) It's not about moralising, it's about Casus Belli. Russia claimed denatsification. We have reports of the Natisifed Azov Battalion, independent journalists reporting from independent sources of Russian News. Canadian Defence Ministers were aware and so was the U.S. House of Representatives, so too The Pentagon.

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ValentB: Don't forget 1994 Budapest Memorandum that russia violated.
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lumengloriosum: And in a legal framework, which becomes the major issue? Minsk or Budapest?

Should we talk about Ukraine seeking its own nuclear arsenal violating the Non-Proliferation state of Ukraine?
Minsk was a toilet paper compared to Budapest. + russia broke minsk first by invading.

After what happened to Ukraine they have every right to have nukes. Especially since terrorist lunatic putin has them.
Post edited March 04, 2022 by ValentB
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Russia is the worstestest thing ever because people said so and Ukraine is the most innocent thing ever. Yeah, we get it. They're angels that didn't spend years poking the bear with a level of cockiness that was dangerous from day one. They brought it on themselves. Screw Ukraine!
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Can we please pipe down with the political talk? I would hate to see this topic locked when there is valid discussion going on if you all would refrain from going too far afield.

It's one thing to say you are boycotting GOG for political reasons, whatever they may be, today's events or others. I don't see how that can be off-topic, in my reading of the terms at least.

I'm just saying that to then expound further is better left for elsewhere, not this topic.
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This is a horrible idea, dragging political discussions into the Boycott thread.

That is probably going to result in this thread getting locked, thus undermining all the work that has already been put into the Boycott by many users over a very long period of time.
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ValentB: Minsk was a toilet paper compared to Budapest. + russia broke minsk first by invading.

After what happened to Ukraine they have every right to have nukes. Especially since terrorist lunatic putin has them.
When the democratically elected President was toppled in a coup, does Budapest Memorandum still stand? You know, when the US was involved (John McCain, Chris Murphy, Victoria Nuland, Geoffrey Pyatt)? Pretty sure that violates your beloved Budapest Memorandum (Article 1: Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders).

I am further refraining from this, I simply wish to express my boycott, and the defense of my boycott. I wish not to derail this into political discourse any longer.
Post edited March 04, 2022 by lumengloriosum
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I will also be refraining from purchasing anything from GOG for the meantime, as well as refraining from purchasing anything from any company taking a political stance on this. I have sympathy for the civilians and soldiers of every nation. However, Wars are started and fought by Politicians, and I will not punish the civilians on any side because someone who rules over them has done a horrible thing. I have an acquaintance in Russia who is 100% against the war, and has nothing but care for the Ukrainian People. and now he will be unable to purchase videogames from GoG. Take that, Putin?

This kind of isolation, this kind of backing Russia into a corner, not only does it not harm the despot who is to blame, but it actually causes more problems because now the Russian people have LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES against every company who has decided to abandon THEM.
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I will be part of the Boycott.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: This is a horrible idea, dragging political discussions into the Boycott thread.

That is probably going to result in this thread getting locked, thus undermining all the work that has already been put into the Boycott by many users over a very long period of time.
Look it this way, GOG has done more for the Boycott than the Boycott itself XD
Post edited March 04, 2022 by KetobaK
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Indeed, everyone please refrain from derailing the thread. You are doing disservice to all people who joined the action in the past.
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Not even DRM-Free will make me buy games here if GOG is doing such bizarre decisions with how they treat their customers.

Count me in the boycott for the time being.

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Bluestormzion: I will also be refraining from purchasing anything from GOG for the meantime, as well as refraining from purchasing anything from any company taking a political stance on this. I have sympathy for the civilians and soldiers of every nation. However, Wars are started and fought by Politicians, and I will not punish the civilians on any side because someone who rules over them has done a horrible thing. I have an acquaintance in Russia who is 100% against the war, and has nothing but care for the Ukrainian People. and now he will be unable to purchase videogames from GoG. Take that, Putin?

This kind of isolation, this kind of backing Russia into a corner, not only does it not harm the despot who is to blame, but it actually causes more problems because now the Russian people have LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES against every company who has decided to abandon THEM.
Perfect commentary.
Post edited March 04, 2022 by _Line
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I just placed another few orders today. Some of these discounts are awesome.