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flanner: i boycott steam instead :D
...since begining of it

is that all right too? :D
Not at all, in fact I'd say several of us do it too. Myself included. I didn't spend a dime on steam or their third-party key sellers in the last 4 years and I definitely spent more on Gog in a nondescript afternoon than what I paid for all the steam games I ever got.

In another way to look at it, I'm not boycotting steam because I'm not even a customer there.
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I did not buy anything from the store for a little over a year after previously buying anything I could from GOG to support them, due to the Cyberpunk/Devotion debacles. I took that time to whittle my wishlist down from over 300 titles to just 86 classic games that can only be bought on GOG. When I first started using GOG it was because they were putting in the work to bring back lost/broken games in a working order to modern machines DRM free, that's the only way I will support them going forward.
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joelandsonja: …snip
In all seriousness, I'm sick and tired of seeing these dumbass posts on GOG's forums.
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nightcraw1er.488: And your answer to this is to throw a little encouragement at GOG and keep sending them money? Yeah, good message, keep ignoring everything and we will still pay you.
No one wants gog to fail or close, simply to start putting resources where they are needed and fix things. It’s gone on long enough and they have had more than enough time to do even the slightest little thing towards any of the issues, and yet nothing, it just gets worse year on year.
Actually my answer was to send them encouragement and give them constructive ideas on how to improve. Boycotting solves absolutely nothing. All that does is make it financially harder for them to hire the people needed to fix these problems. It's also pretty obvious that the management over at CD Projekt have taken a lot of GOG's development team in order to help patch Cyberpunk 2077, so it stands to reason that they would be falling behind schedule with some of the work needed at GOG. Should GOG be held accountable to their mission statement? Yes. But a boycott will do absolutely nothing to help fix the problem, as a matter of fact it will probably only make the problem worse. My advice is to have patience and let your voice be heard through constructive means. I have personally made a number of suggestions to the development team that were 100% followed up with and fixed, so contrary to popular belief, GOG actually does listen to suggestions from the community.
Post edited January 05, 2022 by joelandsonja
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nightcraw1er.488: And your answer to this is to throw a little encouragement at GOG and keep sending them money? Yeah, good message, keep ignoring everything and we will still pay you.
No one wants gog to fail or close, simply to start putting resources where they are needed and fix things. It’s gone on long enough and they have had more than enough time to do even the slightest little thing towards any of the issues, and yet nothing, it just gets worse year on year.
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joelandsonja: Actually my answer was to send them encouragement and give them constructive ideas on how to improve. Boycotting solves absolutely nothing. All that does is make it financially harder for them to hire the people needed to fix these problems. It's also pretty obvious that the management over at CD Projekt have taken a lot of GOG's development team in order to help patch Cyberpunk 2077, so it stands to reason that they would be falling behind schedule with some of the work needed at GOG. Should GOG be held accountable to their mission statement? Yes. But a boycott will do absolutely nothing to help fix the problem, as a matter of fact it will probably only make the problem worse. My advice is to have patience and let your voice be heard through constructive means. I have personally made a number of suggestions to the development team that were 100% followed up with and fixed, so contrary to popular belief, GOG actually does listen to suggestions from the community.
And how many years do you propose we do that? 1 year, 2 years? It’s already been longer than that. Should we wait for an a fix, or even an acknowledgement? None of that has happened in years. This is the problem, gog will not fix or change anything on their own, they are directed to do only what CDPR wants. Continuing to fund them only gives CDPR and gog the ability to continue to ignore any issues, and not do anything about them. A boycott is the last resort after everything else has failed, after years! As for anything being done, you must mean on galaxy as that is the only thing here that has seen any attention in years. Website bugs, missing features, and such like are still here many years later, changelogs are getting far more scarce, online gated content is on the rise etc. CDPR have taken galaxy back as that is really there only focus, as cyberjunk was, online mmo with microtransactions. To that end they pushed it into everything, offline installers included, took all of the resource of gog to support and develop it, and used income to fund that only. That is where your money is going.
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nightcraw1er.488: And your answer to this is to throw a little encouragement at GOG and keep sending them money? Yeah, good message, keep ignoring everything and we will still pay you.
No one wants gog to fail or close, simply to start putting resources where they are needed and fix things. It’s gone on long enough and they have had more than enough time to do even the slightest little thing towards any of the issues, and yet nothing, it just gets worse year on year.
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joelandsonja: Actually my answer was to send them encouragement and give them constructive ideas on how to improve. Boycotting solves absolutely nothing. All that does is make it financially harder for them to hire the people needed to fix these problems. It's also pretty obvious that the management over at CD Projekt have taken a lot of GOG's development team in order to help patch Cyberpunk 2077, so it stands to reason that they would be falling behind schedule with some of the work needed at GOG. Should GOG be held accountable to their mission statement? Yes. But a boycott will do absolutely nothing to help fix the problem, as a matter of fact it will probably only make the problem worse. My advice is to have patience and let your voice be heard through constructive means. I have personally made a number of suggestions to the development team that were 100% followed up with and fixed, so contrary to popular belief, GOG actually does listen to suggestions from the community.
They hired the people who MADE those problems, obviously, so if we boycott them and don't give them money, maybe, just maybe, they will fire those people and than maybe, also maybe, problems will start to be fixed!
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The one thing that I will agree with when it comes to this topic is that CDPR needs to stop stealing GOG developers in order to patch Cyberpunk. I’ve made this rant many times before, but I think we should at least begin seeing an improvement with various issues when things get back on track in regards to finishing that game. That being said, I think the revenue from these games are one of the only things keeping GOG alive at this point. I just don’t see the point of kicking the company when they’re already down.
Post edited January 06, 2022 by joelandsonja
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illiousintahl: Hrmm what happens to 2023 do we make a new forum again :P
new year... new forum :P
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joelandsonja: I just don’t see the point of kicking the company when they’re already down.
So its ok for CDPR to misuse our trust?...
the whole cyberpunk marketing was built on lies....
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richlind33: Given that GOG seems to be incapable of learning from it's mistakes, it might be worth considering whether it's capable of changing how it does business.
Well, we know that they will at least walk back/rethink some things when enough push back occurs...especially outside the forums/site(as was the case re: Hitman GOTY).

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richlind33: That said, I think it's also worth thinking about how the boycott could be improved in terms of gaining enough support that GOG has to acknowledge it.
As said above, getting some more attention/support outside GOG forums would be a good start. Sadly, though, many** don't seem to have the means(accounts on other sites/etc)/time/desire to do so.

(**Yes, that includes myself)
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joelandsonja: "I'm never buying a game from GOG again! Let's boycott GOG!"

Yah, let's just destroy the gaming platform that we've painstakingly helped to build over the last 14 years and and burn it to the ground for no logical reason whatsoever. What a brilliant idea!
So you actually believe a fraction of users boycotting will bring an end to Gog somehow? Or that somehow DRM free would cease to exist if Gog somehow did fail? Or that people should essentially shut up and blindly go along with a company's actions(good or bad)?

The way to make DRM free grow is by supporting(praise/etc) good actions by Gog and criticizing the bad ones(like the Hitman GOTY release), while at the same time financially supporting other companies that do DRM free well/better(like Zoom-platform and others) to give Gog more incentive to want to change.

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joelandsonja: Actually my answer was to send them encouragement and give them constructive ideas on how to improve.
A bunch of times that users(including myself) have done such things, they have either been ignored or told things like "we're looking into it, we'll pass on your criticism/advice/etc" and then nothing ended up getting done in the end.

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joelandsonja: I just don’t see the point of kicking the company when they’re already down.
In this case, Gog is mainly "down" because of it's own actions/inactions.....it's as if the company willingly knelt down and put a kick me sign on it's back, thinking it was a great & brilliant idea.

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Time4Tea: So, if they want to be seen as a 'family-friendly' global store, they would have to either go with the lowest common denominator, or implement different age restriction schemes for different countries.
Here's a 'whacky idea".......parents could keep their kids off the dang site(and any other sites they shouldn't be on) :)
(that said, i'm all for filters/etc for those adults who want them)
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rjbuffchix: Such people may be part of the boycott but they are certainly not helping me and those who care about DRM-free at all. In fact I would say they make it even more difficult for us.
And one might also say that deriding/chastising/shaming/etc others who aren't as hardline against DRM doesn't do much to help the cause of DRM-free(and those who support it) much either.

Also add to that that such words/posts/thoughts often come off(even if not intended) as an attempt to "pass the buck(blame)" onto others and/or to virtue signal......i.e. as if one is saying/thinking "the biggest reason that DRM exists is not because of greedy companies, it's because these other people aren't against DRM free as much as myself".
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rjbuffchix: Such people may be part of the boycott but they are certainly not helping me and those who care about DRM-free at all. In fact I would say they make it even more difficult for us.
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GamezRanker: And one might also say that deriding/chastising/shaming/etc others who aren't as hardline against DRM doesn't do much to help the cause of DRM-free(and those who support it) much either.

Also add to that that such words/posts/thoughts often come off(even if not intended) as an attempt to "pass the buck(blame)" onto others and/or to virtue signal......i.e. as if one is saying/thinking "the biggest reason that DRM exists is not because of greedy companies, it's because these other people aren't against DRM free as much as myself".
It's the truth though. DRM doesn't only exist because greedy companies, but people accepting and buying from said greedy companies. Otherwise, those companies would go bankrupt and not be able to implement DRM. It's not always only one source causing something.
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joelandsonja: It's also pretty obvious that the management over at CD Projekt have taken a lot of GOG's development team in order to help patch Cyberpunk 2077, so it stands to reason that they would be falling behind schedule with some of the work needed at GOG.
You can't seriously believe that Gog's development issues started after Cyberpunk. Several website bugs and missing features here are older than the first line of code for that game.
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nightcraw1er.488: ...As for anything being done, you must mean on galaxy as that is the only thing here that has seen any attention in years. Website bugs, missing features, and such like are still here many years later...
Credit where it is due, they recently attempted to put a bit of work onto something else. We finally got a Sort by price. That is still miles away from being enough, but it appears that finally someone decided to put one dev into coding some of the most requested features.
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randomuser.833: I don't understand where the idea of GoG wanting to be a family friendly storefront comes from.
From my perspective GoG was always a storefront for adult old timers, that has opend up for other groups.
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Time4Tea: I am not saying GOG is or necessarily should be a 'family-friendly' storefront. I simply said they need to make a choice about what they want to be and what their target audience is.

If they intend to be an adult-oriented store, that's fine. But then, they are going to get flagged as such.

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randomuser.833: None of the big storefronts is a "family friendly" storefront.
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Time4Tea: I don't entirely agree with this. Steam has pages that ask for the user's birth date, before they can be accessed, so there is clearly some effort being made to restrict more mature content by age. GOG also has its green button, which they recently introduced. I don't think either is a particularly effective form of 'age filter', but they do at least signify a desire to somewhat restrict more mature content, which implies they are trying to also target the younger audience.
Ais I said, GoG started out to be a Storefront for old timers and just opend up what they want to sell.
Like with old offline software catalogs (or other stores) younger people might use it, but they are not the target audience.
I mean, in most western countries has no legal or limited legal capacity to buy something below a certain age. Parents can revert those contracts if they want.
Dealing with that group is always a hassle

The green button you are talking about.
I see 2 reasons here.
1. GoG lawyers told them that it might be a good idea to introduce those to not get in the line of fire of some sue happy people (you know youtube.com/watch?v=MeXQBHLIPcw ).
2. Some national administration was knocking on the door of somebody else and lawyers not only on GoG but Steam reacted.

For most time GoG is around GoG has already blocked games or DLCs in certain countries to not get into the line of fire by national agencies for selling stuff they are not allowed to sell. At last in germany those games would not be illegal to sell, but they would require a legal compliance for an age verification system.

I don't see any kind of movement to a younger audience here. `
You want to sell DRM free games for PC? "Young" people are not your target group at all...

Btw, when it comes to laws, neither the green button nor selecting any age without verification would be enough for german law. Has to be for another country.
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joelandsonja: It's also pretty obvious that the management over at CD Projekt have taken a lot of GOG's development team in order to help patch Cyberpunk 2077, so it stands to reason that they would be falling behind schedule with some of the work needed at GOG.
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joppo: You can't seriously believe that Gog's development issues started after Cyberpunk. Several website bugs and missing features here are older than the first line of code for that game.
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nightcraw1er.488: ...As for anything being done, you must mean on galaxy as that is the only thing here that has seen any attention in years. Website bugs, missing features, and such like are still here many years later...
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joppo: Credit where it is due, they recently attempted to put a bit of work onto something else. We finally got a Sort by price. That is still miles away from being enough, but it appears that finally someone decided to put one dev into coding some of the most requested features.
Only for a select few as far as I am aware.
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joelandsonja: Actually my answer was to send them encouragement and give them constructive ideas on how to improve. Boycotting solves absolutely nothing. All that does is make it financially harder for them to hire the people needed to fix these problems. It's also pretty obvious that the management over at CD Projekt have taken a lot of GOG's development team in order to help patch Cyberpunk 2077, so it stands to reason that they would be falling behind schedule with some of the work needed at GOG. Should GOG be held accountable to their mission statement? Yes. But a boycott will do absolutely nothing to help fix the problem, as a matter of fact it will probably only make the problem worse. My advice is to have patience and let your voice be heard through constructive means. I have personally made a number of suggestions to the development team that were 100% followed up with and fixed, so contrary to popular belief, GOG actually does listen to suggestions from the community.
I think you're missing the point with the focus on manpower. The main issues we are boycotting over in this thread and which are listed in the first post (censorship regarding Devotion and the encroachment of DRM and locked content) are not issues stemming from lack of manpower, they are the result of poor management decisions and direction of the store. Which is why the focus of the boycott is to push for a change to GOG's misguided direction.

As for making requests and polite suggestions for improvements, I think you're being a bit naive, if you think that is going to be effective, given GOG's reputation for very poor communication with its user base. As nightcraw1er said, users have been asking nicely for many years for things like improvements to the forum, making game reviews editable, but even relatively simple requests have fallen on deaf ears. The sorts of issues we are boycotting over are not simply nice-to-haves, they are decisions GOG has made that are unacceptable, that go against the basic ethical values the store stands for and threaten its reputation and future success.

As another example, some 9300 users have signed the wishlist request for Devotion; however, GOG have not had the decency to even acknowledge or respond to those 'many gamers'. So much for them being willing to listen to their user base.