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DieRuhe: Iron Maiden.

edit: but I really wanna lay my hands on Cross Purposes and Forbidden again. Sadly, they seem to cost an arm and a leg these days.

Creative? They wrote songs for girls. :-)
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darthspudius: Do girls not get to be into heavy metal either? Got a laugh out of the comment assuming it is a joke because I don't get it otherwise.

Edit: Does this mean metal should be for men only? Even if a band did write some love songs, why does that mean they're not creative in anyway?! Look at Scorpions, one of the founding heavy metal bands and they practically invented the power ballad!
It was a throwaway, intentionally dumb response.

But just for the record, I don't consider DL to be heavy metal. Despite all the Union Jack clothing, I personally wouldn't even call them NWOBHM.
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darthspudius: They don't, they have the same vibe. The same vocal styles. The same morbid heavy tones. The only real difference is the extremely '80s production. A little too much reverb.
The music itself was relatively similar, but compared to Dio, Martin sure had a similar singing style, and while being a pretty damn good vocalist, he lacked the force and charisma to make a weak song sound mediocre, a mediocre song sound good, and a good song sound like a masterpiece. And a masterpiece sound like something you'd wish to hear, when you are drawing your final breath.

On that note, I can't even imagine what When Death Calls(it's awesome as it is) would sound like, if Dio would have handled the vocals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LYgTk8QjVo
Post edited June 21, 2015 by Ignoramus
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darthspudius: Do girls not get to be into heavy metal either? Got a laugh out of the comment assuming it is a joke because I don't get it otherwise.

Edit: Does this mean metal should be for men only? Even if a band did write some love songs, why does that mean they're not creative in anyway?! Look at Scorpions, one of the founding heavy metal bands and they practically invented the power ballad!
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DieRuhe: It was a throwaway, intentionally dumb response.

But just for the record, I don't consider DL to be heavy metal. Despite all the Union Jack clothing, I personally wouldn't even call them NWOBHM.
It's not what YOU think and more what they were and are. On Through The Night was a highly regarded british heavy metal album the year it came out. Even more so for the two that followed. Whether you like it or not, they started in that genre and generally remain there.

Listen to their song Go or maybe Good Morning Freedom and then think about it.

Good Morning Freedom

That is not any different to what Iron Maiden, Saxon, Diamond Head, Angel Witch etc were doing at the time. Even then, Iron Maiden are a glorified prog rock band these days. They haven't done anything particularly heavy since 2000.
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darthspudius: They don't, they have the same vibe. The same vocal styles. The same morbid heavy tones. The only real difference is the extremely '80s production. A little too much reverb.
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Ignoramus: The music itself was relatively similar, but compared to Dio, Martin sure had a similar singing style, and while being a pretty damn good vocalist, he lacked the force and charisma to make a weak song sound mediocre, a mediocre song sound good, and a good song sound like a masterpiece. And a masterpiece sound like something you'd wish to hear, when you are drawing your final breath.

On that note, I can't even imagine what When Death Calls(it's awesome as it is) would sound like, if Dio would have handled the vocals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LYgTk8QjVo
I think Dio had the advantage of experience to be honest. Have you heard Martin sing in the past 10 yrs. His voice is a lot more flexible then it use to be. Still as powerful as always.
Iron Maiden
Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Motorhead

But that's just because Iron Maiden is the first Metal band i've ever listened and got me into Metal. Nowadays I listen more to In Vain, In Mourning, Be'lakor etc.

If i go for the TRUE king of British Heavy Metal it will be this list for me:

Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Motorhead

Edit: But when someone uses the term 'True Metal' I always think about Manowar because they use the term a little too much, but it's an American band so does have nothing to do with this
Post edited June 22, 2015 by FrankyDG
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FrankyDG: Iron Maiden
Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Motorhead

But that's just because Iron Maiden is the first Metal band i've ever listened and got me into Metal. Nowadays I listen more to In Vain, In Mourning, Be'lakor etc.

If i go for the TRUE king of British Heavy Metal it will be this list for me:

Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Motorhead
I think it is quite blasphemous Saxon is not on the last. When you think of English heavy metal, the most frequent, most consistent band for touring and albums has always been Saxon.

But when you have to think of Heavy Metal don't forget who started the whole thing. Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Budgie, Nazareth, UFO and so on. That is a serious amount of legacies to challenge.
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DieRuhe: It was a throwaway, intentionally dumb response.

But just for the record, I don't consider DL to be heavy metal. Despite all the Union Jack clothing, I personally wouldn't even call them NWOBHM.
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darthspudius: It's not what YOU think and more what they were and are. On Through The Night was a highly regarded british heavy metal album the year it came out. Even more so for the two that followed. Whether you like it or not, they started in that genre and generally remain there.

Listen to their song Go or maybe Good Morning Freedom and then think about it.

Good Morning Freedom

That is not any different to what Iron Maiden, Saxon, Diamond Head, Angel Witch etc were doing at the time. Even then, Iron Maiden are a glorified prog rock band these days. They haven't done anything particularly heavy since 2000.
It IS what I think, actually. That's what makes being human so great: we can all decide things for ourselves. Just because someone else decided that they were part of the "New Wave of British Heavy Metal," I don't have to agree, regardless of whether or not they came around in that time. I would never with a straight face call Def Leppard "heavy metal." "Hard rock" would make more sense to me.

So perhaps, as my girlfriend often says, I am being too literal, but "heavy metal" means a particular thing to me, and they just ain't it as far as I'm concerned. And now I will shut up.
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darthspudius: It's not what YOU think and more what they were and are. On Through The Night was a highly regarded british heavy metal album the year it came out. Even more so for the two that followed. Whether you like it or not, they started in that genre and generally remain there.

Listen to their song Go or maybe Good Morning Freedom and then think about it.

Good Morning Freedom

That is not any different to what Iron Maiden, Saxon, Diamond Head, Angel Witch etc were doing at the time. Even then, Iron Maiden are a glorified prog rock band these days. They haven't done anything particularly heavy since 2000.
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DieRuhe: It IS what I think, actually. That's what makes being human so great: we can all decide things for ourselves. Just because someone else decided that they were part of the "New Wave of British Heavy Metal," I don't have to agree, regardless of whether or not they came around in that time. I would never with a straight face call Def Leppard "heavy metal." "Hard rock" would make more sense to me.

So perhaps, as my girlfriend often says, I am being too literal, but "heavy metal" means a particular thing to me, and they just ain't it as far as I'm concerned. And now I will shut up.
So because YOU think it we should strike their single etc from all the early british heavy metal compilations, remove it from history completely... no thanks.
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Ignoramus: "The one true KING of British Heavy Metal?"

Sabbath with Dio. I liked Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Vol 4 and Sabotage a lot, but Heaven and Hell showed just how great that band could be with a singer who could actually sing. Mob Rules was a bloody great album as well, too bad that clash of the egos destroyed that dream team. Almost a decade later they reformed to create Dehumanizer(which is slow, heavy and fucking awesome), and then, the clash of the egos again, and it was all over...
Did you miss the two tours they did as a group called "Heaven And Hell"?

But otherwise, if these are the choices to choose from, I agree with your choice 100%.
Although they only reason I like Black Sabbath is Ronnie James Dio, so perhaps I'm not the most suitable person to comment on *British* hard rock...
Pitch Shifter :P
They are all pretty good, though I have a slight preference for Priest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM__lPTWThU
Post edited June 22, 2015 by CthuluIsSpy
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DieRuhe: It IS what I think, actually. That's what makes being human so great: we can all decide things for ourselves. Just because someone else decided that they were part of the "New Wave of British Heavy Metal," I don't have to agree, regardless of whether or not they came around in that time. I would never with a straight face call Def Leppard "heavy metal." "Hard rock" would make more sense to me.

So perhaps, as my girlfriend often says, I am being too literal, but "heavy metal" means a particular thing to me, and they just ain't it as far as I'm concerned. And now I will shut up.
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darthspudius: So because YOU think it we should strike their single etc from all the early british heavy metal compilations, remove it from history completely... no thanks.
Dude, don't you get it? I don't care what's on lists. Call them whatever you like. In my world, they are not heavy metal. If they are in yours, fine. I don't think I was saying that anybody was "wrong," just that I don't agree. I don't care what compilations they are on or whatever, and I wasn't implying rewriting history. My ears are not your ears, and vice versa.
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legopig: I preferred Brian Maiden when Di'Anno was singer. Don't get me wrong, Bruce has a hell of a voice, but nothing beats the original.

While we are at it, can we put Tiger Tailz and Def Leppard in the mix?
I always saw Def Leppard as Glam/Hair Metal. On par with Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, and Poison.
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legopig: I preferred Brian Maiden when Di'Anno was singer. Don't get me wrong, Bruce has a hell of a voice, but nothing beats the original.

While we are at it, can we put Tiger Tailz and Def Leppard in the mix?
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Elmofongo: I always saw Def Leppard as Glam/Hair Metal. On par with Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, and Poison.
A lot of people have it in their minds that there was ALWAYS screaming/screeching while wearing corpsepaint metal bands and therefore any band that doesn't sound (or look) like them isn't "metal" but back in the day Def Leppard, W.A.S.P. and Motley Crue and co were really freaking heavy compared to what was on the radio. Visually Motley Crue (late Too Fast For Love era until Theatre of Pain era) and W.A.S.P. were the black metal of their time. Motley Crue (Shout At The Devil era especially), Def Leppard, W.A.S.P., Dokken etc were all easily metal bands.

Oh and hair metal is just a derogatory label that is pretty meaningless, usually used to glorify grunge and metal bands that take themselves too seriously. Most of the 80s "hair metal" bands were either hard rock bands or metal bands, both using the standard late 70s hard rock/metal formula (Van Halen/Aerosmith for hard rock, Judas Priest for metal) but with better production values and 80s fashion (which everybody had, even 70s rockers).

On that note, No, grunge did NOT kill "hair metal" or topple some enormous menacing beast. All of the big bands of that era were already falling apart around that time (breaking up, members leaving, infighting, addictions taking over etc) and the L.A. scene was pretty much entirely tapped out by that point. "Hair metal" was already in the late stages of its death throes when grunge came along. Grunge or no grunge Pretty Boy Floyd wasn't going to carry the rock banner into the 00s.
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Elmofongo: I always saw Def Leppard as Glam/Hair Metal. On par with Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, and Poison.
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NoNewTaleToTell: A lot of people have it in their minds that there was ALWAYS screaming/screeching while wearing corpsepaint metal bands and therefore any band that doesn't sound (or look) like them isn't "metal" but back in the day Def Leppard, W.A.S.P. and Motley Crue and co were really freaking heavy compared to what was on the radio. Visually Motley Crue (late Too Fast For Love era until Theatre of Pain era) and W.A.S.P. were the black metal of their time. Motley Crue (Shout At The Devil era especially), Def Leppard, W.A.S.P., Dokken etc were all easily metal bands.

Oh and hair metal is just a derogatory label that is pretty meaningless, usually used to glorify grunge and metal bands that take themselves too seriously. Most of the 80s "hair metal" bands were either hard rock bands or metal bands, both using the standard late 70s hard rock/metal formula (Van Halen/Aerosmith for hard rock, Judas Priest for metal) but with better production values and 80s fashion (which everybody had, even 70s rockers).

On that note, No, grunge did NOT kill "hair metal" or topple some enormous menacing beast. All of the big bands of that era were already falling apart around that time (breaking up, members leaving, infighting, addictions taking over etc) and the L.A. scene was pretty much entirely tapped out by that point. "Hair metal" was already in the late stages of its death throes when grunge came along. Grunge or no grunge Pretty Boy Floyd wasn't going to carry the rock banner into the 00s.
Yeah I admit I always thought Motley Crue and Twisted Sister were pretty "Heavy" and "Metal" for a bunch of guys that makes songs to get the girls.

Shout at the Devil and I Wanna Rock has that edgy rebellious side to them.

Oh and Grunge was the worst thing to happen to Metal.

Goddamn its full of hipster, prententious, emo fags who's guitar playing is shit. And really I don't see anything Punk in Grunge. Punk rock has alot of anger and edge to it. Grunge is just a bunch of angsty teens that cannot get a girl. There is a difference I can tell. Oh and Nickleback :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cQh1ccqu8M