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Radiance1979: well i do agree that the setup is aimed at making the tech companies wealthier with less eye for the customer within foreseeable limit. i'm not sure if the eye for the consument did lessen or actually improved over the years, maybe that is also director limited. the improvements over the years do seem to follow moore's law so again i can't be entirely sure if the products could be made a lot better without to many cost involved.
You mean you haven't seen or heard about the HW maker leaks yet?

(I mean the ones where they list all their prototype HW and the speeds/specs they can attain.....they essentially more or less prove that HW companies more often than not have the tech and could get better increases to market with fewer models, but that'd mean less models made and less profit)
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Radiance1979: well i do agree that the setup is aimed at making the tech companies wealthier with less eye for the customer within foreseeable limit. i'm not sure if the eye for the consument did lessen or actually improved over the years, maybe that is also director limited. the improvements over the years do seem to follow moore's law so again i can't be entirely sure if the products could be made a lot better without to many cost involved.
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GamesRater: You mean you haven't seen or heard about the HW maker leaks yet?

(I mean the ones where they list all their prototype HW and the speeds/specs they can attain.....they essentially more or less prove that HW companies more often than not have the tech and could get better increases to market with fewer models, but that'd mean less models made and less profit)
no not specific. the only vids that come near that i watch are the ones showing severe design limitations per specific product

i do distinct between prototypes suits market and customer grade and to be honest 11 years usage out of a i7 920 or hopefully 3 to 5 years for my current 2060 super card ain't really companies pulling my leg
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Radiance1979: no not specific. the only vids that come near that i watch are the ones showing severe design limitations per specific product
I was more talking documentation showing their HW they have made and plan to release, and their stats. Some of this has leaked online for a few companies in the past.
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Darvond:
Good find, have a +
So used to not ever consider workstation cards except for the kind of work they are aimed at but that card would indeed be a substantial upgrade especially if you can manage to somehow use gamer drivers for them.
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DreamedArtist: Might upgrade to the 3090, the headroom for keeping future games at 4k 60 without upgrade to keep up with them is grabbing my attention. 8k 60 fps is a big flex and I hope benchmarks show this when this card comes out. if it fails to impress I will jump to the 3080 and stick with that. gonna give my sister the 2080ti and get her into some Witcher and cyberpunk when it drops here.
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StingingVelvet: Note the "8k" stuff is with DLSS, so you're rendering at 4k. Rendering at actual 8k will be a pipe dream for many years. Even 4k is largely being ignored by PC gamers in favor of 1440p and high refresh.
digital foundry just posted a video with the 3080 being about 80% better in fps in all games at 4k right now. I presume the increase from the 3090 will be far FAR better.

Actual hands on with the card too so this is legit not just rumor numbers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWD01yUQdVA
Post edited September 03, 2020 by DreamedArtist
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DreamedArtist: digital foundry just posted a video with the 3080 being about 80% better in fps in all games at 4k right now. I presume the increase from the 3090 will be far FAR better.

Actual hands on with the card too so this is legit not just rumor numbers
Yeah it's pretty impressive. The consoles go out of their way to do a bigger upgrade this time and then nVidia comes along and offers crushing 2080ti style performance in a $499 card. Just crazy.

I wasn't gonna upgrade until late next year at the earliest but it's really tempting to try and get a 3070 past the wife.
I am going to be upgrading to the 3070 from a 1070. That is going to be a huge upgrade in terms of performance for me.
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secretninja33: Does anyone know if these improvements drip down to Tegra processors?

If the rumored Switch Pro coming up has a similar performance jump, that'd be dope.
I heard that the Upgraded Switch is going to have performance that is similar to the PS4. Which is dope if true because it will make it a lot easier for devs to port/develop games for it.
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Fender_178: I am going to be upgrading to the 3070 from a 1070. That is going to be a huge upgrade in terms of performance for me.
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secretninja33: Does anyone know if these improvements drip down to Tegra processors?

If the rumored Switch Pro coming up has a similar performance jump, that'd be dope.
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Fender_178: I heard that the Upgraded Switch is going to have performance that is similar to the PS4. Which is dope if true because it will make it a lot easier for devs to port/develop games for it.
it would be impressive to see that but a thing that worries me is the battery in hand held mode, will mostly last like 1 to 1 and a half hours with that type of performance.

I will be happy if they can nail 1080p 60 fps with high to ultra graphics, a man can dream. then I would get a switch.
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Tbh I wish game makers would worry more about story(length and also quality) and less about the most bleeding edge graphics.
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GamesRater: Tbh I wish game makers would worry more about story(length and also quality) and less about the most bleeding edge graphics.
It depends for me. I think the realism chase is a silly one in most genres and settings. I'd usually take something like Dishonored over a hyper-realistic game. If you use a bit of style, a little exaggeration, then you don't need to chase realism all the time and it probably looks cooler. nVidia showed this marble demo and people are freaking out about how real it looks, and it's neat as a tech demo, but for a real game I'd take a stylized and well designed look over stuff like that in a heartbeat.

However I do care about things like draw distance, the size of the world, the number of NPCs on screen at once, etc. etc. I think that stuff is important for all games, and hopefully the consoles having better processors and memory this time allows it to happen on PC more.
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Themken: Good find, have a +
So used to not ever consider workstation cards except for the kind of work they are aimed at but that card would indeed be a substantial upgrade especially if you can manage to somehow use gamer drivers for them.
Oooh, thanks. That'll help.
Well... that was quick. Ti versions seem to be on the way.

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-rtx-3070-ti-16gb-memory/

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Fender_178: I am going to be upgrading to the 3070 from a 1070. That is going to be a huge upgrade in terms of performance for me.
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secretninja33: Does anyone know if these improvements drip down to Tegra processors?

If the rumored Switch Pro coming up has a similar performance jump, that'd be dope.
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Fender_178: I heard that the Upgraded Switch is going to have performance that is similar to the PS4. Which is dope if true because it will make it a lot easier for devs to port/develop games for it.
Thats quite good but if thats the case, they should release it before devs get used to Series X and PS5 tbh...

PS4 is going to be last-gen soon and AAA devs I feel would just start to focus optimizing graphics for the higher spec Series X and PS5 consoles as well as these new powerful PC graphics cards.
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DreamedArtist: Actual hands on with the card too so this is legit not just rumor numbers
I watched that earlier.. The whole "can't show actual numbers" is a bunch of malarkey. And the whole spiel about "it's not about the numbers but how it feels!" struck me as quite dumb, too. Yeah, no. Give me actual real performance benchmarks with actual numbers on actual games - I don't give two shits about some synthetic benchmark nonsense either - and then we can talk.

I don't doubt that these new round of NVIDIA cards are quite a bit more powerful, but this whole being vague about it is just the worst kind of marketing BS.

It'll be interesting to see how AMD's new lineup will shape up in comparison.
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if the performance upgrade is anything around 50% that would usually mean it is almost mandatory to upgrade, with a good enough upgrade for your money but with current day improvements..... gtx 770..... gtx 1060 ..... rtx 2060super with a bit of luck i can wait untill the 4060/70 line of cards
Might shell out for the 3080 or even 3090, even though it will definitely be $2000+ here. While I don't care about 8k, it would make sure my 1440p 240Hz monitor gets used to the full potential now and in the foreseeable future. For gaming, FPS>insane resolution every time.

I gave ~$900 for a 1080ti in October 2018 and it has served me well. 20 series was a hard pass but this looks intriguing. Will wait for tests and benchmarks of course.
Post edited September 03, 2020 by idbeholdME