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Theoclymenus: You may put your GOGs on external hard drives and they are then "yours" " forever", insofar as any physical (CD/DVD) copy was ever "yours". But then a new OS and / or new hardware will come along and you will need (perhaps with GOG's help, but perhaps not) to get the copy of the gane you own to work again on the new hardware. Eventually this will become virtually impossible, unless you yourself are a computer wizard. Eventually all old games will be "superseded" by newer ones, even if the newer ones are inferior. Games can be artworks but unfortunately they are not like paintings or statues or novels : they are all communicated via a medium which by its very nature is bound to destroy them.
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nightcraw1er.488: Indeed, but that is why I still have several machines about the house, with most windows versions, and I have a fair few of the consoles (in duplicate). So I shan't be worrying too much about that, especially with emulators, dosbox, virtualisation etc. The problem lies in the vast majority (or as I tend to call it the lowest common denominator) group who throw things away each few months and buy the next great thing.
The problem is, some of the hardware in your machines will die one day and it will be insanely difficult to find replacements. So unless you are some kind of engineer genius who can make video cards, motherboards, memory etc in your garage or basement, one day, your GOG collection will be unplayable. A sad truth, indeed...


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monkeydelarge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s :(

No PC games...no cry...
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Theoclymenus: I thought that was going to be Bob Marley.
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nightcraw1er.488: Indeed, but that is why I still have several machines about the house, with most windows versions, and I have a fair few of the consoles (in duplicate). So I shan't be worrying too much about that, especially with emulators, dosbox, virtualisation etc. The problem lies in the vast majority (or as I tend to call it the lowest common denominator) group who throw things away each few months and buy the next great thing.
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Theoclymenus: I've thought of doing that too but where would it end ? Backwards compatibility ought to become an obligation for publishers. I can't stand reading that "Windows 10 may not be supported" blah blah blah blah. We've heard it all before.Old games should ALWAYS be made to work on newer systems.
That is how I felt inside after you bursted my bubble.
Post edited November 06, 2015 by monkeydelarge
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monkeydelarge: The problem is, some of the hardware in your machines will die one day [..] one day, your GOG collection will be unplayable. A sad truth, indeed
Unless there will be emulated virtual hardware :O
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monkeydelarge: The problem is, some of the hardware in your machines will die one day [..] one day, your GOG collection will be unplayable. A sad truth, indeed
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phaolo: Unless there will be emulated virtual hardware :O
There could be emulators in the future that let you play GOGs on the machines of the future but it could be a pain in the ass to get GOGs running with them. Remember how much of a pain in the ass it was to get old games running before GOG? And it is also possible there will be no emulators in the future. So I guess it is impossible to know GOGs will eventually become useless or not. Only Doc Brown, knows for sure. :)
Post edited November 06, 2015 by monkeydelarge
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monkeydelarge: Yeah but downloading all your GOGs and putting them on an external hard drive or two or three is easy. And then you will have your GOGs for the rest of your life. Isn't that money well spent?
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Theoclymenus: You may put your GOGs on external hard drives and they are then "yours" " forever", insofar as any physical (CD/DVD) copy was ever "yours". But then a new OS and / or new hardware will come along and you will need (perhaps with GOG's help, but perhaps not) to get the copy of the gane you own to work again on the new hardware. Eventually this will become virtually impossible, unless you yourself are a computer wizard. Eventually all old games will be "superseded" by newer ones, even if the newer ones are inferior. Games can be artworks but unfortunately they are not like paintings or statues or novels : they are all communicated via a medium which by its very nature is bound to destroy them.
Pretty much this.
Well, as far as the physical media is concerned, there is something called Mdisc. it comes in DVD and BluRay variants, it's supposedly designed to last a very long time.
If the game has DRM, I refuse to play it. Plain and simple. To many clients, to many logins, to many issues. Thankfully, GOG is DRM free.
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Theoclymenus: I thought that was going to be Bob Marley.

I've thought of doing that too but where would it end ? Backwards compatibility ought to become an obligation for publishers. I can't stand reading that "Windows 10 may not be supported" blah blah blah blah. We've heard it all before.Old games should ALWAYS be made to work on newer systems.
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nightcraw1er.488: Fact 1 about life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6JAJVAGC9M
Oh that is one of these rare LOL moments. :D
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If you ask this question, it is because you are unsure of having any firm values in matter of gaming; or you should to be pointed to some?

I am very concerned about the vertical integration of Steam - such a dominant provider should not move further to define gaming integration interface.

I hate this idea most strongly, and would boycott games that would bend to artificial exclusivity.

I perso hope it is rather about what us gamers would do without - just to ensure gaming is not restricted. And not just about bending to have maximum of games.
Keep your steam games and buy new games from GOG. If there is games you want not on GOG, check your backlog first, after you finish your backlog then only consider to buy to avoid situation where you just bought the game and it come to GOG.

I use to hate steam after being lock out of my games twice and refuse to buy on steam, then window 10 happen......

Even though steam is self serving with steamOS, I see the merit of a large business entity breaking the window monopoly.
I don't want a future where I need to use Window 10 to play most games......
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Gnostic: Keep your steam games and buy new games from GOG. If there is games you want not on GOG, check your backlog first, after you finish your backlog then only consider to buy to avoid situation where you just bought the game and it come to GOG.

I use to hate steam after being lock out of my games twice and refuse to buy on steam, then window 10 happen......

Even though steam is self serving with steamOS, I see the merit of a large business entity breaking the window monopoly.
I don't want a future where I need to use Window 10 to play most games......
How did you get locked out?
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Rivdoric: Hello folks !

I was wondering if some people were or are in my situation when they thought they had to choose to stay with Steam or leave it behind for a more "consumer friendly" platform like GoG is.
GoG seems to be the perfect platform for digital simply because it doesn't require multiple DRM, spying software or anything else to enjoy what you rightfully paid for.

Now there is this nice sale going on that would be the perfect time to start a GoG Collection. However doing so would mean i'd left behind 200-300 Steam Games i bought, or start to buy on multiple digital platforms which is really annoying when you want to have all your games in one place.

Beside, my biggest concern about gog is : Will there be more recent AAA games in the future like old assassin's creed games up to black flag or unity, more recent Tomb Raider like Underworld, maybe other publishers like square enix for Just Cause 2 or Final Fantasy etc... etc..

I really don't like uplay, steam and all these DRM platforms so GoG seems to be the right choice for me (and should be for everyone imho), but do you think catalog will expand to bigger titles, being more "futureproof" or will this platform stay a "marginal" one for old games (that i love of course) and the minority of developpers and publishers who still think the player has the right to possess what he bought ?

I didn't find a Thread about this subject and I'm sure there's a lot of other persons here who don't know what to do.

Thank you !
Do it!
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Gnostic: Keep your steam games and buy new games from GOG. If there is games you want not on GOG, check your backlog first, after you finish your backlog then only consider to buy to avoid situation where you just bought the game and it come to GOG.

I use to hate steam after being lock out of my games twice and refuse to buy on steam, then window 10 happen......

Even though steam is self serving with steamOS, I see the merit of a large business entity breaking the window monopoly.
I don't want a future where I need to use Window 10 to play most games......
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darthspudius: How did you get locked out?
Next time they update their client EULA, don't click the "Agree" button. Bingo - locked out of any game that requires the client.
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darthspudius: How did you get locked out?
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HereForTheBeer: Next time they update their client EULA, don't click the "Agree" button. Bingo - locked out of any game that requires the client.
okay and anyone wanting to use their service would be complete morons to do that. If you don't agree, don't use it. If you want to use it, agree and shut up.
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HereForTheBeer: Next time they update their client EULA, don't click the "Agree" button. Bingo - locked out of any game that requires the client.
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darthspudius: okay and anyone wanting to use their service would be complete morons to do that. If you don't agree, don't use it. If you want to use it, agree and shut up.
You're missing the point. Said customer agreed to the original EULA that was in force at the time the games were purchased. The new EULA comes around and is retroactively applied to those old purchases.

Edit: er, not directly applied to those old purchases, but to the client that is a requirement to play those old purchases.
Post edited November 06, 2015 by HereForTheBeer
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grimwerk: The joy is in the buying, not the playing. We're all keen to get a good deal. Omigod! Frogstoppers for $3? Yes!

We never actually get around to playing; we just collect little thumbnails. And each time we find a new one, bang, you get that little rush of whatever endorphins and a general feeling of savvy and smarts. I found a good deal! I am wise.

This tiny rush is everything. So it's in your best interests to spread yourself among various services to increase your chances of a deal. And there is a bonus. More services means you're more likely to forget your purchasing history. So you can get that little kick three or four or even five times from the same game. Microfuzz? That looks interesting. And only two dollars! Microfuzz? My kind of game, maybe. And hell, only a dollar! Mircofuzz Game of the Week Edition? $5 is nothing for a game and a soundtrack. I'll just skip my luxury coffee today. Imagine if you could watch Robocop again for the first time? I'd do so every day.

So spread yourself around. Use multiple email addresses. Write passwords down on the backs of crumpled receipts and cereal boxes. Buy and forget. Feel smart. Chase the rush.
It's funny because it's so true. I'm precisely like this, with games in tons of places I can't track, which indeed I often can't even log into when I find them.

Which is why most of my games are on Steam. I mean, if I'm buying games and don't care about playing them, might as well spend the least and buy them in bundles. Well, frankly, most of my games are not on Steam, but in the form of Steam keys that I don't activate. Yes, I'm that bad.