kmanitou: Why can cars reach 150 km/h and above when some streets are limited to 40 km/h? What a hassle.

StingingVelvet: High framerate is one of those things you have to experience. If you play a game at a consistent 120+fps, like Dishonored or Outer Worlds, and then immediately play a game locked to 60, you immediately notice how much worse it "feels" to play. For some people it won't be a big deal, for others it might be a massive deal. I'm probably somewhere in the middle, but the point is it's something to consider before upgrading your monitor.

GameRager: I don't discount it might have some positives for some people(especially those with very crappy setups), but to me it's about as "useful" as HD above 4K in terms of diminishing returns & the upper limits of what the mind can supposedly perceive.

StingingVelvet: First off, tons of old games break when put above 60fps. I'm making this thread because Star Wars hype had me reinstall KotOR 2 today, and even though it has a 144hz setting it still breaks the game, messing with physics and stopping you from being able to move after combat. The solution on every forum? Limit fps to 60. This kind of thing happens all the time, even with relatively recent games like Fallout 4. Games are so designed around the 60fps standard (or even 30fps on consoles) that 144fps just causes endless problems.

timppu: Oh my, I am sooo behind the curve. 60fps feels like shit if you are used to 144fps? I presume 1920x1080 also seems like blocky mess if you are used to 3840x2160.

I am happily playing games like Team Fortress 2 at 1280x720 resolution and running either in 60 or even 30 fps. If I get 60fps on 1920x1080, I am more than happy and couldn't really ask for more.

And so it goes...

Spectre: I find flickering really bad when aiming fast plus there is some kind of built in blurr effect with the games graphics engine.

StingingVelvet: Everyone raves about high framerate gaming, and they're right. When running a game at 144fps with no issues, it's an incredibly smooth feeling experience. However I am finding that at least half the time, if not more, they cause issues that ruin that feeling.

First off, tons of old games break when put above 60fps. I'm making this thread because Star Wars hype had me reinstall KotOR 2 today, and even though it has a 144hz setting it still breaks the game, messing with physics and stopping you from being able to move after combat. The solution on every forum? Limit fps to 60. This kind of thing happens all the time, even with relatively recent games like Fallout 4. Games are so designed around the 60fps standard (or even 30fps on consoles) that 144fps just causes endless problems.

Secondly, once you get used to 144fps it's hard to go back to 60... which sucks because not only do a ton of games require you to use 60fps, but also newer games are impossible to run at 144fps, even with a crazy expensive video card. I got The Outer Worlds to run at 120ish but playing on medium, but I could have been playing on ultra at a locked 60. How far down will I have to put the settings on Cyberpunk? Probably insanely low, or just deal with 60fps.

Anyway this is just a thread to vent about how I wish I didn't get a 144hz monitor. I only get the true, smooth 144fps experience on VERY rare occasions, and before getting that experience I never knew what I was missing.

idbeholdME: As far as gaming PC monitors are concerned, the best solution is the in-between; 1440p.

But for TVs, 4K is very much worth it.

timppu: I can certainly see and feel the difference between 30 and 60 fps in a high-speed shooter like TF2, but it isn't like 30 fps is unbearable. I still prefer 60 fps though, that is why I am running the game at a lower resolution, just to make sure it stays in 60 fps (I have vsync on as well).

StingingVelvet: It's not really a subtle difference at all to go from 60fps to 140fps in a game like Dishonored. It's super, super obvious. The crispness of 4k resolution over 1080p is also super, super obvious.

Dark_art_: I truly envy you... I just cannot play any First Person Shooter comfortably with Vsync on and low fps, the lag between mouse movement and image is unbearable to enjoy the game. Even running some games at 30fps, like SteamWorld Heist (turn based tactic game) feels choppy AF, probably because it's a OpenGL game wich in my opinion and experience tend to be less smoother.

GameRager: Thankfully you never(afaik) have had to play some fast paced games at <10 FPS speeds....I have and after seeing that 60(and sometimes even 30) FPS is like butter to me.

Dark_art_: Had probably 3000+ hours of CS 1.6 on a laptop wich hovering between 20 and 40 fps, sometimes less when near smoke bombs, wich could go as low as 0.2fps YES 5 seconds to render a frame :D
Oh miss those good old days...

Dark_art_: But you're right, nowadays I prefer to not play a game than don't feel comfortable.

GameRager: I cannot say as to 144Hz, but I HAVE seen 4K and 1080p demos side by side in stores and(to me) it's not that much of an improvement.

That is to say it's not noticeable enough a difference to justify spending more money.....and also the games/movies/shows I play in 1080P look just fine without 4K.....I don't see the need to see every blade of grass or every line on someone's face in ultra clear resolution.