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drealmer7: I know they aren't straight FPS, I didn't mean to sound as if I thought they were/was criticizing them for being so. My comparison is more of the mentality of the game overall. Ease of digestion, made to cater to the modern gamer who doesn't think outside the box or want to have to figure much of anything out and just wants to swallow content, mediocre writing passed off as profound or original, bland characters, no personality to the main character ***SPOILER (there is SO much potential with it starting at your birth and growing up and going through reuniting with your father, but it is all fluff and good ideas executed horribly with no real essence. I never feel like I know who I am or what I feel, it's all exceedingly contrived, IMO.)***

With 3+NV: There were ALL of the elements of 1+2, with ZERO of the essence. The setting is the same, but atmosphere is completely different, they don't "feel" like Fallout to me, and not because they changed how they play or because they move east coast in 3, but because the passion, execution, writing, and overall immersion into the world just isn't there. My brain recognizes everything in the world as Fallout, and the novelty of that when I played 3 was fun for a little (and had me fooled for a little), but ultimately disappointing and upsetting (because of the degree of blaspheme I see them to be) but it doesn't register the same in my emotion or heart, and I believe that is because it was done to make money from having one of the best established worlds a video game had to offer, not because they cared about Fallout or wanted to make another Fallout game for any other reason than "hey, this will make a huge splash and lots of bucks." In NV there was no novelty of having wanted a new Fallout game for a decade and it quickly revealed itself to me to be just an okay game, although better than 3, but because it was using the Fallout world, it was less than okay to me. I actually never finished NV. I got probably 3/4 of the way through and just got done with it. Every single quest (and their varying options on how to complete them) was painfully obvious and unoriginal and, as I've come to recognize Bethesda to do, a complete joke of an RPG experience for the experienced RPGer. If anyone has any prompting for me to finish NV, I'd be glad to receive it.

Dartpaw86: Also. One book I always loved as a kid was "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of Nimh" cue them making a movie based on it, that adds magic to a novel solely about science, turns a grey morality character (Who is implied to simply be a jerk, nothing more) and only appears in a backstory (as his death sets off the plot), into a disgustingly evil main villain. Despite the only villains have and should always have been the unseen humans.

The butchered movie version is the one everyone knows and loves, while the superior novel is horribly ignored.

So, I think I can see where some people why people here are upset. As they can do nothing while Fallout 1&2 are falling into obscurity due to the explosion of the popularity of the newer games.

Sufyan: That is a perfect example and a post well worthy of being upvoted.

drealmer7: With 3+NV: There were ALL of the elements of 1+2, with ZERO of the essence.

UniversalWolf: I agree with Sufyan. That was a good post.

To me the difference is this: Black Isle Fallout was intended, from the beginning, to be a simulation of a pen-and-paper RPG with miniatures for combat. The result is that it feels a little bit like a p-n-p RPG.

I don't think Bethesda has ever cared about that aspect of it, and I doubt many of their Elder Scrolls fans care much about p-n-p RPGs.