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Warning, post is probably angry rant...

This is not another "I want a good ending" post. This is about endings being one big bullshit bug fest.

From first look you can tell the game is writen to be played as male V, and to get the best ending you need to have romance with Panam... so fuck your choice, just do this if you want the ending that make sense...

And for all others around.... It is a shit show...

So you go for Alt ending, you get to Mikoshi playing as Johnny... and everything is reversed... when you try to give up your life to save V, V construct try to fight you to stop you? Or what is the meaning of that scene? Some one fucked up hard time and switched either which character you are playing or I dont know, but it make zero sance...

Arasaka ending seems to make sance until you got to the credit part if you choose to get back to earth... you called your friends, told them where you are and than got back and... it is like you never got there... so either tell us Arasaka didnt let us go, or actually make it a "good" ending, cos we got back and have our 6 months of life or so...

And there we go for nomad ending... where in Mikoshi your V become a proper asshole, even though you were good to Johnny and he is actually nice to you... so just for fun I choose to give body to Johnny... and you can guess my surprise that I end up in the same ending as if I done that with Alt ending, and I even got Rouge gun and got to "burry" her, even though she was still alive.... Like get your head out of your ass.... I know this is a least probable playtrough, but it is just fucking lazy to copy-paste the other ending...

I only miss the last ending, as I got only 60% with Johnny but I can tell I dont want to reach it after what I saw....Spend 160 hours in game for last 11 days, and I understand the bugs, I dont mind the problems so much, but that you actually fuck up the ending of story.... that ruin it a lot...

And you can just feel, how the story is ment to be played... you should be male V, be a good guy, romance Panam, and get a happy ending with her... all the other options feel like you put them there just to be there.... why the fuck playing female V feels so wrong? why not going for Panam feels like you can only fail or have your partner put in the nomad ending like with crowbar.... And dont make me start on "The Sun" ending, as there is no explanation why would you act like that...

Please fix at least the most stupid things, like burrying Rouge when she is still alive and call you in credits scene and the Alt ending personality scramble, with both options saying the same ending, when they are the oposite...
They are still working on the ending. After leaving the City with the nomads, I am now waiting for the game to leave my library and be refunded. Once I get the money back and spend it on a game that isn't broken, the golden ending will be complete.

This kind of meta storytelling is really impressive about the game. It really makes you feel like burning down a city.
Post edited December 22, 2020 by TencentInvestor
Even if you side with Panam you still die in six months.

There is no good ending. You will die anyway. Wonder how they want to put out DLC for this game when they kill the main protagonist. Any "Let's play a younger V" DLC will suck because hey you die anyway. Same goes for more weapons, car modifications, maybe player homes whatever. Same problem. Imagine they killed Geralt in Witcher 1.

Unless the DLC let's you change the ending or has a story completely unrelated to the main game and it's protagonists, i'll not be seing me buy any. And that's putting aside the problem that your save games will brick anyway if you add too much content ;D

Well let's hope this game gets a turn around line No Man's Sky. Otherwise it stays a rail shooter with a soso story and many missed opportunities.
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Hermanthemad: There is no good ending. You will die anyway.
"Live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse". This has always been the Cyberpunk way. As much as anything it was always about knowing that you've ultimatly lost the fight before you begin but going on to fight it anyway.

The Corporations will go on and death will alway win, it's what you do with your own life that counts.
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Hermanthemad: Even if you side with Panam you still die in six months.

There is no good ending. You will die anyway. Wonder how they want to put out DLC for this game when they kill the main protagonist. Any "Let's play a younger V" DLC will suck because hey you die anyway. Same goes for more weapons, car modifications, maybe player homes whatever. Same problem. Imagine they killed Geralt in Witcher 1.

Unless the DLC let's you change the ending or has a story completely unrelated to the main game and it's protagonists, i'll not be seing me buy any. And that's putting aside the problem that your save games will brick anyway if you add too much content ;D

Well let's hope this game gets a turn around line No Man's Sky. Otherwise it stays a rail shooter with a soso story and many missed opportunities.
I don't mind there being a few bad endings, I just wish there was at least one where you emerge triumphant. I don't think this counts as a rail shooter, as the player has a lot of freedom. The vehicle shooting portions with Panam probably count as an on rails shooter, but that is a very small fraction of the game. Good examples of rail shooters would be House of the Dead Overkill for the Wii, Virtua Cop, and Time Crisis.
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Broska: I only miss the last ending, as I got only 60% with Johnny but I can tell I dont want to reach it after what I saw....Spend 160 hours in game for last 11 days, and I understand the bugs, I dont mind the problems so much, but that you actually fuck up the ending of story.... that ruin it a lot...
I actually found the ending where you do everything you can for Johnny and let him take over really good, if bittersweet.
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J Lo: I don't mind there being a few bad endings, I just wish there was at least one where you emerge triumphant. I don't think this counts as a rail shooter, as the player has a lot of freedom.
You only have the illusion of choice, and that only in the last quest. Side with Arasaka, attack with Rogue or with Panam or alone. Doesn't matter. Bad ending. It's more or less like Fallout 4. Blow up the Institute or not. Or like Mass Effect 3: a few different colored endings.

I'm with you that there always should be bad endings. That's part of player freedom. You are a ****, you die alone. Whatever. Well let's see what the future brings for this game and the studio and hope they turn this game around or at least deliver on the promises they made.
Post edited December 22, 2020 by Hermanthemad
I disagree that the best (for you not ethically) ending is Panam romance. The best personal ending for V in my mind which can be achieved by any character is to romance Judy and take her with you with Panam and the rest of the Nomads. This is the only positive end you can get for Judy. Panam is basically your best friend with this ending too and she is an amazing friend. You have an entire nomad clan as people you care about and they care about you right back.

As for V being upset at Johnny's ending if you choose to die it makes perfect sense. V and Johnny have been through a lot together at this point and they have bonded over time. Although co-existing in the same body is stressful and unwanted which causes tensions between the two their deeper bond of friendship is more meaningful. If Johnny doesn't take V's body V will and is doomed to die soon. So Johnny choosing to go with alt is naturally upsetting to V. It's also the much more ethical thing for Johnny to take the body. In-fact Johnny taking it is the most ethical ending you can have, not the happiest ending but certainly the most ethical but sometimes doing the right thing means not benefitting ourselves.
V would have been dead anyway without the chip. The circumstances although inadvertently resurrected her, but that isn't her body anymore she should be dead it's Johnny's body now.

The ending no matter what path you take is a lesson learned that there isn't always a winning situation. No matter what you do or the choices you make sometimes life will throw you a negative event that you cannot come out on top of. V was lucky, V got to live for a short time beyond this which isn't something all of us will have in our real lives. V also was able to make very important choices that changed the lives of others at this time. Especially Johnny if you do the right thing and ethical thing. This game revolves around righting wrongs when you cannot save yourself and many of us will find ourselves in those very shoes someday in our own life circumstances. The rest will die suddenly and never get that chance.

Just my views on it. I'm sure many will feel differently and I would love to hear other's takes.
Post edited December 22, 2020 by NuclearShadow
I will repeat my self – it is not about “good or bad” endings, but about how it affects gameplay and player. And I'm having hard time to decide if I like or hate what they did here.

On one hand I get that Cyberpunk (both 2020 as well as 2077 it seems) is not about your character, but about a city you live in. It does not matter how good you are, you will die one way or the other, but the city will last. So future DLC can come in never ending numbers made as yet another story about someone in NC climbing to the major league. It does not have to be V and given the game mechanics (gaining levels, increased power and rep over time) it should never be. Whoever will be new main character in DLC, they can use your last save from V and put it in as part of the back story.
I admire the idea to make a sand box for story tellers to make new stories in the future and I’m looking forward to that future.

But on the other hand, here and now, I’m disappointed by the fact that I can’t have free play mode after main quest line ends. And there were multiple plot twist possible where you come back to NC. Either as you were or changed by end game events, but there was an option to allow player to enjoy the NC. I miss that seriously. Yes, there is workaround – I made 2nd char and now I’m playing all side quest possible before progressing main quest, but it feels awkward… I got this time bomb in my head and yet I ignore it and collect some cars… Technically playable but not best way to do it.


So there you are CDPR - I see great future for CP2077 but I’m bit sad now.
Finger crossed you will come to similar conclusions and either release DLCs soon or fix the base game to allow proper free play.
Post edited December 22, 2020 by rbialo
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rbialo: I will repeat my self – it is not about “good or bad” endings, but about how it affects gameplay and player. And I'm having hard time to decide if I like or hate what they did here.

On one hand I get that Cyberpunk (both 2020 as well as 2077 it seems) is not about your character, but about a city you live in. It does not matter how good you are, you will die one way or the other, but the city will last. So future DLC can come in never ending numbers made as yet another story about someone in NC climbing to the major league. It does not have to be V and given the game mechanics (gaining levels, increased power and rep over time) it should never be. Whoever will be new main character in DLC, they can use your last save from V and put it in as part of the back story.
I admire the idea to make a sand box for story tellers to make new stories in the future and I’m looking forward to that future.

But on the other hand, here and now, I’m disappointed by the fact that I can’t have free play mode after main quest line ends. And there were multiple plot twist possible where you come back to NC. Either as you were or changed by end game events, but there was an option to allow player to enjoy the NC. I miss that seriously. Yes, there is workaround – I made 2nd char and now I’m playing all side quest possible before progressing main quest, but it feels awkward… I got this time bomb in my head and yet I ignore it and collect some cars… Technically playable but not best way to do it.


So there you are CDPR - I see great future for CP2077 but I’m bit sad now.
Finger crossed you will come to similar conclusions and either release DLCs soon or fix the base game to allow proper free play.
I guess this is a problem that most open world, story dirven games have. It's similar to how in Fallout 4 you wake from cryo desperate to chase down the people who, from your characters perspective, have just kidnapped your infant child but still take time out to wander all around the wasteland building settlements. Or Skyrim where you have a looming war that never happens until your done catching fish. Or Far Cry 2 where you're dying from a deadly disease that doesn't actually kill you until your ready to head to the endgame.

Non-functioning artificial timers are just another plot device that they haven't come up with a good workaround for yet (as least as far as I know). Though a lot of the Cyberpunk sidequests wouldn't be the same without Johnny's input.

I guess we'll have to wait until they start releasing dlc before we know where they're going to go with this.
The endings come off as though they were written by an angsty emo teenager. Such a sophomoric attempt at being "dark and gritty". There is a lot of greatness in this game (if you can get past all the bugs; the many, many, sometimes game breaking, bugs), but whomever was responsible for writing the endings seems to have missed the whole point of the cyberpunk genre.

It's not really about how dark, gritty and defeating the real world is, it's that ordinary people can still find a way to fight against the machine. Perhaps for any follow up game or DLC, they'll assign the writing tasks to more experienced and accomplished authors.

P.S. Also, as much I do enjoy Keanu Reeves and even the Johnny Silverhand character, there was way, way too much of it in this story. A valid argument could be made that it's not really the story of "V" (the player), but it's really just Johnny's epilogue that V plays a role in.
Post edited January 02, 2021 by karmahero
Endings you say, In this current state there's only an ending correct !,
best thing any pc player can do is get cheat engine.

grab the machine gun off a turret.

give yourself infinite ammo.

and lay waste to night city.

this is the best fun to be had in this failed abortion of a game.
Game have a potential, but too much is broken and cut, and the fact that all endings are unfair tovards V (no matter what you do and how hard - V will die. in one or another form, we just choose when and how), is taking away all replayablility from it, and I'm quiet about big DLC's like in Witcher 3, because how we're suppose to play them, if there's no after ending play? Because in best case V have just 6 months to live
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I lost a lot of interest in my character with the whole JS taking over story. They have put an unavoidable death on the character so no matter what you achieve you are dead, so why bother? That I was enjoying the game until that point amplified the stupidity of the situation.

I've not progressed that character any further and don't see any point in doing so, any other character is going to end at the same point so the game (other than hanging around Watson) is over.

They could have gone through with the option to betray Dex and hand the intact case to Evaline, turning Dex against you and the other fixers unwilling to work with you until you built your street cred to a certain point. Dex would have people out looking for you and Evaline, resulting in Evaline being your source of work.

Or, you give Dex the case and depending on if you tell him about Evaline wanting to screw him over. Tell him and you are caught in a war between the two sides, but you can get work from the other fixers. Don't tell him and have him know about Evaline anyway and he betrays you - dumping you and the whole crawl, drive survive to Viks.

Which ever got the chest and chip could install in a donor body resulting in JS becoming a threat as he gets out of control and targets the whole city.

No matter which path you chose Arasoka would still be after you.

The endings as I've become aware of them are dire, CDPR can fix most issues but the story is probably too big to change to appease some gamers.