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Senestoj: I got the v2 of BG1 EE and didn't played since some time the previous version but this Dragonspear compatible version seems has more problems and little nuisances.

But beside one bizarre crash plus tutorial NPCs totally broken at start of the game it was playable stuff, a "total mess" looks to me very exaggerated that is from my play try and with BG1 EE v2.

But players that can't bear games that aren't fully perfectly polished, should better not play the v2 versions and wait a bit they are cleaned, and instead use the previous EE version and wait a bit for the new DLC.
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Hickory: Don't make recommendations on something you have not experienced for yourself. It's a mess.
Your opinion, my opinion:
- Is it possible to play the DLC with the version 1.3? NO.
- Is the version 2.0 as clean than was the 1.3. NOT AT ALL AND FROM FAR, it's not a total mess but it's a mess.

My conclusion as I wrote, I don't advise at all play the DLC until the 2.0 is still this current mess.
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Senestoj: CRPG is a lot of things, and then CRPG players can have very different preferences. I agree that I simplified a little by pinpointing many JRPG has a class design that remove many choices unlike do most Western CRPG. Often roster approach and some alternate choices but important anyway make a party building relatively complex.

But I don't think anyway it's the same balance challenge than with class style design of Western CRPG.

EDIT: Moreover D&D design for BG1 and even for BG2 is a lot more like JRPG that is with not much building choices. It started change more with later D&D. And it's not the current trend of class design for Western CRPG.
Actually, classic WRPGs didn't have many choices with respect to character building.

For example:
Wizardry 1-5: Choose race (only affects starting stats), alignment, class. Can change class to keep spells from a previous class.
Bard's Tale 1-3: Choose race (only affects starting stats), class. Spellcasters (only) can change class to learn other spells, so the only decision is the order in which to get the spells. Even then, you can't start as a Sorcerer or Wizard, so you can't learn those spells right away. BT3 has a couple class change options that cause the loss of all previous abilities, but are the only way to change to those classes.
Ultima 3: Choose race, class, starting stats. Stats boosted by spending money at shrines, but you can't reach those shrines right away.
Might and Magic: World of Xeen: Choose race and class. Tons of single-use permanent stat boosts which tend to make your starting stats irrelevant.

In fact, I would say that jRPGs tend to have more character building options than classic WRPGs. Of interest, Final Fantasy 2 probably has more options than any other games released around that time.
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dtgreene: I disagree with your opinion. To me, optimizing a party is part of the fun! (Of course, I also like to have characters who are interesting from a game mechanics perspective; that's why I like Wizardry 8's Bard and Gadgeteer, for instnace.)
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Senestoj: W8? Well the difficulty management of the game has a big bug and it's pretty well known, more or less not level up characters until past a part of the game I don't enter in details. That's a questionable example of well balanced party CRPG.
What exactly you have in mind? I played W8 a dozen of times and really didn't see anything I'd call "difficulty management of the game has a big bug"
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Senestoj: my opinion:
You can't have an opinion on something you haven't experienced.
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Hickory: You can't have an opinion on something you haven't experienced.
I haven't tried jumping off a cliff without safety measures yet I think it's stupid :-P You can absolutely have an opinion based on previous experience. There's also a thing called "Informed opinion" for which you don't have to experience anything, just get relevant facts.
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Hickory: You can't have an opinion on something you haven't experienced.
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Fenixp: I haven't tried jumping off a cliff without safety measures yet I think it's stupid :-P You can absolutely have an opinion based on previous experience. There's also a thing called "Informed opinion" for which you don't have to experience anything, just get relevant facts.
An opinion based on previous experience is experience, or did you miss that? Facts? What facts?
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Hickory: An opinion based on previous experience is experience, or did you miss that?
Previous being the key word here. If a company releases a dozen of shit games, an uninformed opinion of many will be that the eleventh game is also shit without actually experiencing it. It's a fairly essential part of how most creatures learn from past mistakes, I'm sure you tried it at some point :-P Of course, this is simplest of examples and it's where Senestoj's opinion belongs. Clearly, he has that opinion so he can have it, I'd like to see you yanking it out of his brain, using a sentence containing "You can't" :-P

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Hickory: Facts? What facts?
Well if you fall off a tall cliff without any safety measures you're quite likely to die or severely wound yourself. It's irrelevant to current conversation, but it is an example of an opinion you can form without experiencing something. It's also another essential part of natural survival process, so I'd prefer you not banning it if you'd be so kind :-P
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Hickory: or did you miss that?
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Fenixp: Previous being the key word here.
So you did.

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Hickory: Facts? What facts?
I'd prefer you not banning it if you'd be so kind :-P
Your sarcasm is as weak as your argument.
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Hickory: Your sarcasm is as weak as your argument.
Well you don't need a particularly strong argument to prove that one indeed doesn't need to experience something to have an opinion on it, I mean that's a fairly dumb claim to begin with, I just enjoy proving how dumb your absolutism is :-P (as proven by your utter lack of meaningful counter-argumentation. Not that anyone realistically could come up with a reasonable argumentation to support a statement such as "You can't have an opinion on something you haven't experienced.")
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Fenixp: ...
Do you have anything meaningful to say?
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Hickory: Do you have anything meaningful to say?
You mean as opposed to golden genius of meaning hidden in "You can't have an opinion on something you haven't experienced."? No, absolutely not, I just don't like when I notice you pointlessly trolling relatively non-active (or even new) members as you tend to do, so I then start pointlessly trolling you. It's all good :-P
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Fenixp: pointlessly trolling
Yeah, it's what you do. It's what all self-righteous forum monitors do. Must be a self esteem thing. <shrug>
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Hickory: Yeah, it's what you do. It's what all self-righteous forum monitors do. Must be a self esteem thing. <shrug>
It's funny how all of us "forum monitors" only ever take issue with you :-P Maybe, just maybe, if you stopped acting like a dick.. But nah, ain't gonna happen. Anyway, I'm out, I always get a good laugh out of you trying to defend indefensible position is all :-P
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Fenixp: It's funny how all of us "forum monitors" only ever take issue with you
Hardly. I've seen you around the forums enough to know that's utter bullshit... again. Have a nice patrol.