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Posted November 07, 2012
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Trilarion: Without any details all you can do is speculate. I know what I read and it is plausible. Being the strongest party, even if you don't have the majority means you will win an election based on a majority system like currently in the US. You don't need to have the most votes, just more than anybody else, which the NSDAP had.

Now prove me wrong.
The US have an electoral system. Germany never had one. You are comparing apples and wagon tires. If you simply apply the rules of a plurality voting system on the districting of a proportional representation election system then you get all kind of wacky results.

That's like saying Usain Bolt would lose a 100m dash in high heels. Yes he would. But what is the point of the statement.
Posted November 07, 2012
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SLP2000: Well, I can't imagine Christie being a candidate. He just backstabbed Romney, in Poland he'd be forced to leave his party the very next day after doing what he did.
The Sandy thing won't matter by then, all that will matter to the GOP is who can win. The reason they might reject Christie is he's not the most establishment-friendly Republican, but this election shows them they need someone like him, so who knows.

Then of course there is also the factor of whether Christie wants it. He has acted like he doesn't before, but that was probably a timing thing.

Anyway, Christie and Rubio are the best they have for 2016 right now. I doubt Christie's Sandy comments, legitimate or part of a long game he is playing, will matter at that point.

The Democrat side should also be interesting. If they run Biden they are idiots, in my opinion. Hillary might try again. Who do they have who is younger and more vibrant? I honestly don't know.
Posted November 07, 2012
Considering Obama's main competition is an idiot who wants to send human rights back a few decades, I'm not surprised by this at all.
Posted November 07, 2012
With all the presidential talk, some are forgetting that issue of arguably greater importance were also on the ballot:

http://www.upworthy.com/map-you-wont-believe-what-these-states-did-tonight
Posted November 07, 2012
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StingingVelvet: The Sandy thing won't matter by then, all that will matter to the GOP is who can win. The reason they might reject Christie is he's not the most establishment-friendly Republican, but this election shows them they need someone like him, so who knows.

Then of course there is also the factor of whether Christie wants it. He has acted like he doesn't before, but that was probably a timing thing.

Anyway, Christie and Rubio are the best they have for 2016 right now. I doubt Christie's Sandy comments, legitimate or part of a long game he is playing, will matter at that point.

The Democrat side should also be interesting. If they run Biden they are idiots, in my opinion. Hillary might try again. Who do they have who is younger and more vibrant? I honestly don't know.
Yeah, Biden would be a joke, and Hillary will fail. But there's always Michelle, so you never know, maybe Obama's will make what was impossible for Clintons.

And as for GOP - I think they should consider going R&R again, but this time Rubio and Ryan.

One interesting thing - Romney didn't get much more votes than McCain in 2008. That's very surprising for me, because I was sure there will be bigger turnout among Republicans than in 2008. I read about people reporting very large lines (never seen in their life) behind the polls in a very Rep counties, contrary to very small lines in Dems counties. They also had much more enrhusiasm, and they had bigger numbers on their rallies than Obama (Obama had much smaller rallies than in 2008 in the same places).
Posted November 07, 2012
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SLP2000: Yeah, Biden would be a joke, and Hillary will fail. But there's always Michelle, so you never know, maybe Obama's will make what was impossible for Clintons.
Why do you think Hillary would fail? Just curious.
Posted November 07, 2012
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SimonG: ...But what is the point of the statement.
The point is that in a majority electoral system you can become leader with less than 50% of the votes. It favors big parties and/or strong charismatic persons and will more often give them alone power than if you need a majority of the votes. That can be seen as a risky characteristics and has nothing to do with high heels whatsorever. Of course germany is different but that's not the point really.
Post edited November 07, 2012 by Trilarion
Posted November 07, 2012
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Trilarion: The point is that in a majority electoral system you can become leader with less than 50% of the votes. It favors big parties and/or strong charismatic persons and will more often give them power. That can be seen as a risky characteristics and has nothing to do with high heels whatsorever.
So why did you bring up Hitler? Trying to sound cool and edgy?
Posted November 07, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Why do you think Hillary would fail? Just curious.
I think she had her chance. And I think that the fact Obama is young (comparing to McCain and Romney) was giving him some edge. Something Hillary won't have in 2016.
Posted November 07, 2012
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SLP2000: I think she had her chance. And I think that the fact Obama is young (comparing to McCain and Romney) was giving him some edge. Something Hillary won't have in 2016.
Sure, but I don't know of a better Democrat alternative and I bet she runs. She was practically tied with Obama 4 years ago, her gender would give her a massive boost and she now has a ton of foreign policy credentials from her time as Secretary of State.

I have been out of the loop for over a year though so there might be a rising star I don't know about.
Posted November 07, 2012
Just looking at the Facebook posts on both the Romney and Obama campaign Facebook pages, some of the hatred and racism being spewed out by GOP supporters in particular (but also Democrats, albeit to a lesser extent) is absolutely disgusting. Some of the Romney voters have genuinely been graceful in defeat, but many of the others are just a disgrace.

LOL at the ones though proudly announcing that they're moving to Canada and Europe to escape the "socialized health care" and "government dependency" though. The ignorance really shines through there.
Posted November 07, 2012
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SimonG: ...
So why did you bring up Hitler? Trying to sound cool and edgy?
I am cool end edgy. Don't need Hitler for that. But I noted that you reacted a bit offensive and I didn't like it.

Discussion in the thread was about the pros and cons of the US electoral system. I read that one disadvantage is that Hitler would have had it easier to come to power. I find that a valid point, agree with it and publish it here. It's very clear.
Post edited November 07, 2012 by Trilarion
Posted November 07, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Certainly the best possible outcome, even if Obama is a bit too corporate and centrist for me.

Republicans really need to regroup and appeal more to women, minorities and secular voters if they want to come back anywhere but the House.

Also Puerto Rico will probably be a state now, which is cool.
So it happened, Puerto Rico became the 51st state of the United States of America?
Posted November 07, 2012
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jamyskis: Just looking at the Facebook posts on both the Romney and Obama campaign Facebook pages, some of the hatred and racism being spewed out by GOP supporters in particular (but also Democrats, albeit to a lesser extent) is absolutely disgusting. Some of the Romney voters have genuinely been graceful in defeat, but many of the others are just a disgrace.

LOL at the ones though proudly announcing that they're moving to Canada and Europe to escape the "socialized health care" and "government dependency" though. The ignorance really shines through there.
Indeed.

It is both sides though, sadly. One of the first things said in my (very Liberal) overseas volunteer forum was "thank God a Mormon won't be President."
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Elmofongo: So it happened, Puerto Rico became the 51st state of the United States of America?
It (you?) voted to request that, which the Union will almost certainly grant. It will takes months or years of formal wrangling though, surely. I bet both parties try and make it happen before the next election though.
Post edited November 07, 2012 by StingingVelvet
Posted November 07, 2012
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jamyskis: Just looking at the Facebook posts on both the Romney and Obama campaign Facebook pages, some of the hatred and racism being spewed out by GOP supporters in particular (but also Democrats, albeit to a lesser extent) is absolutely disgusting. Some of the Romney voters have genuinely been graceful in defeat, but many of the others are just a disgrace.

LOL at the ones though proudly announcing that they're moving to Canada and Europe to escape the "socialized health care" and "government dependency" though. The ignorance really shines through there.
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StingingVelvet: Indeed.

It is both sides though, sadly. One of the first things said in my (very Liberal) overseas volunteer forum was "thank God a Mormon won't be President."
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Elmofongo: So it happened, Puerto Rico became the 51st state of the United States of America?
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StingingVelvet: It (you?) voted to request that, which the Union will almost certainly grant. It will takes months or years of formal wrangling though, surely. I bet both parties try and make it happen before the next election though.
I did not vote for anything since I don't like my island, but......sigh.

To be fair to people here who wanted Puerto Rico to be independant, its own country including father, though he is not an extremist about it, wanted this island independent. But now they are probably upset, All that happaned to what they wanted to achieve were for nought.

Even this man must be rolling in his grave right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r672uJ7tiiY
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