StingingVelvet: Indeed.

It is both sides though, sadly. One of the first things said in my (very Liberal) overseas volunteer forum was "thank God a Mormon won't be President."

Elmofongo: I did not vote for anything since I don't like my island, but......sigh.

To be fair to people here who wanted Puerto Rico to be independant, its own country including father, though he is not an extremist about it, wanted this island independent. But now they are probably upset, All that happaned to what they wanted to achieve were for nought.

Even this man must be rolling in his grave right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r672uJ7tiiY

Telika: what's the deal with florida, already ?

yesterday i was "okay, i'll go sleep when i'll know the definitive results of florida". sounded like a good plan at the time, as it was one of the first states to start the counts.

i wake up half-zombified today, and florida is now the only state with still no definitive results.

StingingVelvet: What's on the news there? I'm desperate for more info on this.

kodeen: What I enjoy is that we spent $6 billion on campaign advertising this election and nothing changed at any level of government. Money well spent.

kodeen: What I enjoy is that we spent $6 billion on campaign advertising this election and nothing changed at any level of government. Money well spent.

jamyskis: As controversial as it may sound, I do agree with Donald Trump on one thing: the United States is not a democracy. It's by and large a plutocracy, although I suspect that it is not plutocratic enough for Trump. As people have said here, political influence can be bought by financing campaigns, and major lobbying bodies such as the RIAA, MPAA, 'big oil' and the AHIP exert considerable influence over policymaking.

In fact, looking back over the history of the US, I don't think it ever has genuinely been a democracy. It was certainly even worse in the 1800s.

jamyskis: As controversial as it may sound, I do agree with Donald Trump on one thing: the United States is not a democracy. It's by and large a plutocracy, although I suspect that it is not plutocratic enough for Trump. As people have said here, political influence can be bought by financing campaigns, and major lobbying bodies such as the RIAA, MPAA, 'big oil' and the AHIP exert considerable influence over policymaking.

In fact, looking back over the history of the US, I don't think it ever has genuinely been a democracy. It was certainly even worse in the 1800s.

StingingVelvet: It's a Representative Republic, and those reps can be heavily influenced by money. This is nothing new. As said earlier by others though, grass-roots campaigns and well-meaning interest groups can influence as well, as does responsibility before a free media.

Straight democracies don't work, basing everything on majority rule. How long would civil rights have taken if it was straight majority rule?

jamyskis: As controversial as it may sound, I do agree with Donald Trump on one thing: the United States is not a democracy. It's by and large a plutocracy, although I suspect that it is not plutocratic enough for Trump. As people have said here, political influence can be bought by financing campaigns, and major lobbying bodies such as the RIAA, MPAA, 'big oil' and the AHIP exert considerable influence over policymaking.

In fact, looking back over the history of the US, I don't think it ever has genuinely been a democracy. It was certainly even worse in the 1800s.

Elmofongo: Tyranny of the Majority dude.