lol, what? This sounds like jibberish (Kauderwelsch) to me :D

There's no hope left for this game because drsigmund is going to pirate it.

Shh, nobody can know ....

hmm...good point

None of what you have just said supports any argument other than "greedy bastards"... as for Day 1 DLC being 'successful'.. fact of the matter remains, 99% of the population wouldn't know what's good for them if it bit them on the arse.... sadly, people en masse, are thick as pig shit, as when there isn't an all encompassing forum (meaning general sounding stage) where we can tackle whether issues like this should exist or not and deal with it as a whole, instead of everything being splintered accross hundreds of different game, publisher and review forum.. no proper conclusion can be reached other than people like to spend money.

I may be 'stuck' as you say... but at least I still have a handle on what is a healthy direction or not, it would seem that people such as yourself who wholeheartedly accept corporate greed, over any kind of demand for proper quality or a worthwhile experience for their expenditure have chosen to follow the direction of least resistance.. and that's lazy, and ultimately damaging to any rights you may have had before you chose to give thm away.

There are still peope who feel DLC, day 1 or not, is contradictory to getting a worthwhile experienece for the money ALREADY and initially spent.. and as we are usually borne out to be quite correct instead of you trying to convince us that we should 'get with the time' maybe you instead, should slow down and do some real thinking instead of blinkered following.

Day 1 DLC's are worked on after feature complete is locked thats 3 MONTHS before the game is released (minimum) during those 3 months the rest of the game is put through final bug tests for console manus so you can either a)fire 90% of the team or b) put them to work on a DLC which btw doesn't have to go through the testing the game is required to. So you have a crap load of things you wanted in the game but didn't have time before feature lock and a bunch of staff not needed for the games release. Guess what DLC lets you do! DLC's cost less to make than Xpacks and are sold for less than them but heres the fun part let you keep the staff busy till you know if you want to make a sequel! It's a win win win. Publisher gets more content to sell, Devs keep their jobs and gamers get more game!

Shh, don't bring your sound arguments into this.

This is quite frankly BS.... how do YOU know a specific time line when it's never published?

I've seen games go gold (being stopped working on) on the wed and being sent off to the publisher within a few days, with DLC still coming out at the same time.. so there is NO hard and fast rule as to when DLC get's made. And you saying there is, and 'quoting' one just makes your opinion all the less relevent.

I'm sick of this conversation anyway.. I answered the other post because (edited) there was already a to and fro between us.. I'm not in the mood to start gugitation the same shit over again with someone else, especiallly when we're never going convince each other of of repective points of view.

Fact of the matter... if you release two releated products at the same time, without a larger self dedicated set of resources... one of them is going to suffer... and arguing against that FACT is just dumb.

GOLD and FEATURE LOCK are completely different things. FEATURE LOCK IS WHEN NOTHING MORE GETS ADDED AND YOU CONCENTRATE ON REMOVING BUGS.
GOLD IS WHEN YOUR DONE NO MORE IS DONE TO THE GAME.
get it now?

As for how I know? I worked in the games industry as a coder (so yes I was a DEV) on the games I worked on Feature lock was a MINIMUM of 3 months before gold we usually asked for it to be 6 months + because well we hate bugs.

EDIT
Oh and your 'FACT' is bullshit btw once feature lock is on almost all your level devs and artists are out of work DLC lets you put those people to work when otherwise you'd fire them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX-pwBJkLAE

Bioware Wants to sell you a car with no Wheels

Except thats bullshit the games complete just cause he doesn't want to get extras doesn't mean its unfinished *rolls eyes*

You never stop your crusade, do you?

Taking out a vital character and part of the story out of the main game to sell it as DLC isn't exactly what I would classify as "Extras"
Why would I ever want to stop it against shitty and immoral business practices?

I'd say this is the single most masturbatory thread I've ever seen, but, alas, I've seen the other ones you've made.