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Keron320: New Vegas had better story indeed but nothing special.. also the NV map was alot emptyer than Fallout 3 but if you compare it to Older Fallout games .. then older F1 or F2 are alot harder even on Normal difficult .. .. Something messed up with that Reply .. i dont like quotes.. haha
I can't agree with you about the map. The FO:NV map was a bit larger, but with more inaccessible regions within it. There's 158 map locations in FO3 and in New Vegas there's approximately 188 of them to be had on the main map. Tthe total effect is that everything is closer together, and there's less emptiness over all.

As for difficulty level, a lot of that has to do with the fact that you're no longer constrained to only turn based combat. You have the option of switching to real time if you run out of action points, and the game itself is significantly larger overall allowing for more opportunities to level up. And perks every other level for FO:NV versus every level for FO3 and every third for 1 and 2. If it's an issue, I'm sure there are mods for that.

Story, wise, it's really a personal opinion.
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Keron320: New Vegas had better story indeed but nothing special.. also the NV map was alot emptyer than Fallout 3 but if you compare it to Older Fallout games .. then older F1 or F2 are alot harder even on Normal difficult .. .. Something messed up with that Reply .. i dont like quotes.. haha
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hedwards: I can't agree with you about the map. The FO:NV map was a bit larger, but with more inaccessible regions within it. There's 158 map locations in FO3 and in New Vegas there's approximately 188 of them to be had on the main map. Tthe total effect is that everything is closer together, and there's less emptiness over all.

As for difficulty level, a lot of that has to do with the fact that you're no longer constrained to only turn based combat. You have the option of switching to real time if you run out of action points, and the game itself is significantly larger overall allowing for more opportunities to level up. And perks every other level for FO:NV versus every level for FO3 and every third for 1 and 2. If it's an issue, I'm sure there are mods for that.

Story, wise, it's really a personal opinion.
Hehe actually i had alot longer post but it kinda dissapeared somehow in the quotes and stuff i ediited a bit ...

Anyways the fact it they both are good RPGs because we dont have any better in that time sadly .. theres not much of RPGS at all so Fallout 3 and NV are very good games just because the simple minded style and it looks nice and is easy to play.

With the Map thing i cant really argue much because im not hardcore player of RPGs usually and i havent searched every rock in that game BUT its good to know what you just explained me, but NV feeled emptyer than F3 for me but its just Personal then.

About the Perks i must say , yes you are right the VATS / turn based is not that important anymore. but still i must say the game is too simple in some ways .. you get too good weapons too soon and enough ammo aswell .. if i remeber right it was kinda same in eariler Fallout games but for me it didnt felt like that.

Maybe i just have started to hate the game somehow lol its possible aswell . but well yeah
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anjohl: (MMO's in general, though since they are not games, they don't really qualify)
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Fenixp: This just puzzles me, if you believe that MMOs aren't games and thus do not qualify, why write it in your post in the first place, is it just to start a flamewar? Why not just start listing everything you don't consider games, like working with a shovel, making pointy sticks or spanish inquisition that no one expected here?
Because the majority classify these programs as games, and as such, they are valid entries.
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jefequeso:
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Fever_Discordia: Err did you mean DA:O (Dragon Age: Origins) here? The only DOA I know is Dead on Arrival, which is just scantilly clad ladies kicking the crap out of each other for the joystick trashing glee of the raging hormone brigade - not at all what you were describing...
Yes, I meant Dragon Age Origins.

They claim MANY endings--fact was *SPOILERS ALERT* it led towards a "correct ending" of having a demonic love child. Redonkulous.

If you really RPGed as "practical" or "evil"--you'd end up with poor parties.

The DLC was the super turn off. Buy and addon so you can get a box to stash your stuff? huh? whut?

After millions of people complained and another million paid for it--somebody made the chest DLC for free.

It's that kind of crap [and the incredibly intrusive DRM] that cut Bioware off my list of companies to buy from.

Having a blast here at GOG though.

Oblivion had no story. That's my peeve with it. Someone mailed the script in. Looked pretty but that was all it had going for it. The only side quest of any interest was joining the Dark Brotherhood.
Post edited December 18, 2011 by MetisRebel
Halo was good kinda but it was overrated like is anything quake after 1.
Propably most overrated is world of warcraft or diablo 2.. Diablo 1 was good though.

DOA can also be dead or alive.. bouncing tits, nothing wrong with those.

..it was corrected.. I liked DA:O.
If game has Morrigan it can't be bad.
Half Life 2.
This game tends to force you play using only one weapon for long periods. It was really good for the first few hours, but got repetitive and boring after them. Not to say about the DRM system.
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vanchann: Half Life 2.
This game tends to force you play using only one weapon for long periods. It was really good for the first few hours, but got repetitive and boring after them. Not to say about the DRM system.
..or loading times but episode 1 was indeed good. Short but sweet.
It's got to be Halo or Half-Life 2. Plenty of shooters before and after them have been heaps better. Hell, some of Bungie's own games from way back when they developed games for Mac only are better than Halo, like the Marathon series.

As for Half-Life 2, it's a rail shooter with a terrible story, erroneously lauded as a great story by the unwashed masses. Not to speak of how it was the game that ushered in the age of invasive DRM.
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brainsare: As for Half-Life 2, it's a rail shooter with a terrible story, erroneously lauded as a great story by the unwashed masses. Not to speak of how it was the game that ushered in the age of invasive DRM.
The story itself = ok
The way it was told = best gaming has yet offered

EDIT: Well, that's a little bit overstated. Perhaps I should say it's among the best.
Post edited December 18, 2011 by jefequeso
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brainsare: It's got to be Halo or Half-Life 2. Plenty of shooters before and after them have been heaps better. Hell, some of Bungie's own games from way back when they developed games for Mac only are better than Halo, like the Marathon series.

As for Half-Life 2, it's a rail shooter with a terrible story, erroneously lauded as a great story by the unwashed masses. Not to speak of how it was the game that ushered in the age of invasive DRM.
Never played Halo - not an xboxers, however i did see both Halo Combat Evolved (first one i assume) and Halo 2 on sale at local EB just the other day. Read reviews and the first one doesnt sound too bad?.

HL2 - yeah played it, never finished it. Story was ok.....

For me the most Overrated game is World of Warcraft.
Like WTF. I caved in and bought it megacheap, played it for 1 week and gave up completely. Grind grind grind.I swear people just use it to socialise... Game isnt all that great IMHO
Post edited December 18, 2011 by nijuu
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nijuu: Never played Halo - not an xboxers, however i did see both Halo Combat Evolved (first one i assume) and Halo 2 on sale at local EB just the other day. Read reviews and the first one doesnt sound too bad?.
It's...ok. The combat is smooth as butter and fairly fun, but the game suffers from an incredible lack of variety (despite the supposedly prophetic title, combat never really does evolve throughout the course of the game) and some of the worst visual level designs I have ever seen in an FPS. I don't think the game is completely devoid of any value...it does do a good job making firefights entertaining and creating a fairly well-crafted world/story. But it's nowhere near the sort of godlike experience that Xbox gamers make it out to be.
I would go with Assassin's Creed and the later Prince of Persia games. Granted, the ones done by Jordan Mechner are all classic and well done, but after he left they became platform games with decent stories, but they were so tough to play that very few players actually got to enjoy the stories because they were to busy mashing the buttons and trying to get them in the right order.
Also, I would have to include Lucasarts' Star Wars game, The Force Unleashed. I actually purchased three different versions of the game. The DS version was the weakest, but actually the most playable, the PSP version was a button mashing nightmare, although smooth, and the PS3 version was also a button masher but one in which the promised "super realism" was not nearly as good as it was hyped up to be. The levels were much bigger than the PSP or DS versions, but that's not a complement since they were too long for their own good. I only bought all three because at the time I had a pretty good salary and bought the hype.
Continuing on the Lucasarts train, Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings was also a nightmare. First it was hyped as being the most incredibly realistic PS3 game there would ever be, then they completely scrapped the PS3 and 360 versions for a lackluster PSP version that was too difficult to play and not interesting enough to want to win.

Finally, Assassin's Creed was hyped up to be nothing less than a re-invention of the video game. They spoke of the game's producer as being the next major player, taking her place next to Will Wright, Richard Garriott, Roberta Williams, and all the other great innovators. The game was hyped as having such incredible AI that everyone in the world would react to everything your character did. What was eventually released was a game that was another difficult platform game like Prince of Persia with virtually nothing new to offer. Again the game offered an interesting story but required so much button mashing and so many joystick acrobatics that only a high master of gaming would be able to enjoy it.
Ocarina of Time A great game that usually show up at the top of many lists. Personally I don't think it's the greatest game ever made and not even the greatest zelda game made. I guess I should be glad it's not CoD up there at number one on the lists ;)

Halo This game was just boring and weak compared the the PC FPS greats that predates it. Doom, Doom II, Half-life, Unreal, Unreal Tournament, Quake, Quake II to name some.

Half-Life 2 The game had some cool features to play around with in singleplayer but the multiplayer was crap compared most earlier popular FPS games. Certainly not the greatest FPS of all time like many lists will make it out to be ;)

Gears of War The first one I guess felt a little bit fresh with its cover system but the lack of variety, limited environments, and boring characters subtract from the experience. The rest of the games was just more of the same and pretty boring.

God of War What really annoys with me this game series is that every reviewer seems to think that it represents the birth of 3d person action gaming and that it was the first ever game with QTEs. The first game was kinda cool and I can understand why the artwork and production values captured peoples attention. The gameplay involves a whole lot of button mashing, QTEs which truly sucks, boring main charater and static "big boss" fights.I like just about every predating 3d action game better, Ninja Gaiden, Onimusha Series, Devil may cry and even Castlevania LoI comes to mind.

Call of Duty The hype around these these games are so big that no game could ever live up to them. These games also represent the de-evolution of the genre from custom maps, custom server rules, mods and other community stuff that had played a big part in evolving the FPS genre up to that point (Imagine no Counterstrike mod for half-life for example, and no team fortress/capture the flag mods for quake if you can).

IMO!

Peace out!
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Keron320: ...
Please tell me where your avatar comes from! It looks very familiar but I can't remember where I saw it. It's obsessing me.
Ultima 4. Just play Ultima 3 to see what the developers were capable of 2 years earlier and what they have made out of it, a "little avatar, be a good boy and make your mommy proud by behaving well instead of roleplaying" game.

Wizardry 7. Stunning animations but horrible riddle design and artificially added harassments to slow down playing speed to fake bigger size.