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jefequeso: Thing is, though, the game's real triumph wasn't the individual systems, but the way they all worked together to make an interesting sandbox world. The amount of freedom you have in Deus Ex is really quite spectacular. Is it worlds more than what you can get in other games? No, not really. But I think it's on par with the best of them, even today. What makes Deus Ex so special is just how unique and odd it is. It's not any particular genre of game. It's just a mash-up of a bunch of different ideas, but somehow they all work together to make something that can be quite fun. The thing is, you need to approach the game not as a "FPS/RPG," but as its own beast. It's about interacting with the world in different ways, and trying new things. It's about looking at your inventory and skills and thinking "how am I going to solve this particular situation with what I have?"

That being said, I think fans do sort of overrate the game, and I can completely understand disliking it. I myself hated the game at first. It took awhile for it to grow on me, because it was a little hard to understand what the developers were really striving for. But once I got a handle on how to approach the game, it really clicked.

EDIT: To be more specific, I think Deus Ex IS one of hte greatest games ever made, not because it's a shining example of gaming perfection (like Zelda or Baldur's Gate II), but because it's an incredibly ambitious game that manages to create a pretty cohesive and engaging experience despite (or perhaps because of) the "throw everything at it and hope it sticks" design philosophy.
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balanceofpower: I understand what you're saying; indeed, I see exactly where you're coming from with your view on the game. I just think that Deus Ex crossed a threshold for me that it didn't for you.

There are few - if any - "perfect" games. Even the best games are flawed in some way (I say this because I don't want to be perceived as holding up Deus Ex to some unreasonable standard of perfection).

But Deus Ex - despite its ambition - just makes too many mistakes for me to enjoy it, let alone love it like its fans.

Overall I was just really disappointed with Deus Ex. As I said in a previous post, it's certainly not the worst game in the world, but it just tried too hard to be too many things to too many people.

I don't mind ambition that may fall short of the intended goal, but Deus Ex just falls short in too many areas for my tastes. The gameplay mechanics, the level design, the writing, the characters, dialogue, etc... any other game would have been dismissed yet for some reason this game captured the imagination of gamers and reviewers alike.

I have to wonder if the September 11 attacks a year after its release had something to do with it, or perhaps it was one of few games that allowed one to spare one's enemies in an age of mindless shooters; I just don't understand what is behind so much acclaim for this very flawed game.
I think the major difference is that I found that the game really worked for me, and obviously it didn't work for you. Impossible to say why that is, but I think either way both of our views has some validity.
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balanceofpower: That has to be one of the politest disagreements I've ever encountered on the Internets. I appreciate your candor and mature response : )
Well, you are just lucky that I can't throw feces through the internet (yet). But thank you, likewise.

The only point left for me to make on regards of DX 1 would be that it "didn't work" for you (As you already said yourself). It was a little bit like a cake or a stew, each part for it seld wasn't that great, but togehter it was pure magic (for me). I guess the old saying "you mileage may vary" was never truer than in this case.

You really should try DX:HR. You can even skip IW, as HR doesn't pick up on the story (beeing a prequel). As HR has a lot more to offer on the "gameplay" part, but less on the themes and issues part (imo). It's still better than 95% of the games out there in this regard, but I found the themes and issues of DX 1 closer to my interests. But it could very well be that DX:HR does a creepy precognition like DX 1 did in its time.

I can't relly say if you will like it or not. But imo it is a great game of it's own and makes DX 1 in some way reduntant as it uses many of its strenghes and does away with a lot of the negative points.

To give a little perpective. When I heard about a DX sequel I first thought "You know, f*ck you, you greedy money grabing bastards for ruining my beloved games with a surely medicore run of the mill shooter sequel". Never bothered to follow any trailer or news of the game, as I was sure that it would definetly suck balls. Well, I noticed its release on GG so I went over to the pirate bay to get it and confirm my solid preconceptions. I played it for 5 - 6 hours straight. Then I went to GG and bought it for full price. I played through it twice in direct succession.

There might still be a bunch of stuff to criticise and maybe there is no 16x shader and full frontal anti aliasing or whatnot, but boy, this game enchanted me like no game in a very, very long time!

So, try it and let me hear back from you in how you liked it.
every single sonic game ever made, most of the CoDs and Gothic 1&2.
Skyrim :P

It's not out yet but i am already starting to get sick of its name. I'm not going to buy it on release day. I'm going to be good and wait a week and keep a close eye on the forums.

I have a bad feeling about it..
Is it too late to vote for Pong?
Not a game, but a company: Sierra. Something about at least 80% of their games put me off in ways that Interplay and EA never managed.

Syberia, which someone else listed. Nice artwork, way too much filler, and bad voice casting or direction for the English version. Tries to make some kind of artistic statement about following dreams, but feels half developed.

I liked Beyond Good & Evil a lot. At the same time, it could be criticized for unusually being less than the sum of its parts.

Vampire: The Masquerade: Redemption wasn't all that good. I don't remember it receiving universal acclaim at any point, so overrated isn't the right term. Same with Summoner, actually. People seemed to treat them both fairly.

Quake series, in my mind at least. Good tech, boring use of it. Not bad, just overrated. Actually liked Quake 4 in lots of spots.

Res Evil felt very overrated when I first played it. I can see some of the appeal now.

I've avoided GTA for ages. It has potential to fall on either side of the scale.

Must be others, but I'm not coming up with them.
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wvpr: Quake series, in my mind at least. Good tech, boring use of it. Not bad, just overrated. Actually liked Quake 4 in lots of spots.
Actually, Quake 4 is by far my most favorite Quake game. Everything just ticked with me about that game, it's pretty, it's quite varied and it keeps introducing new stuff throughout the whole game, and ... well, it's just generally very fun and enjoyable experience.
Post edited October 29, 2011 by Fenixp
I'm going to go with Halo 2, and Killing Floor.

halo 2 on xbox... boring as hell
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nagytow: No such thing as an overrated game. The fact that you don't like it or don't get it doesn't mean the game with millions fans is overrated. You are not a target of that game, simple as that.
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Fenixp: And guess what: This a discussion forum, thus it's very nature is to give people place to express their personal opinion. If everyone went here with this point of view, they would just discredit whatever they wanted to say because it's their opinion and is not relevant to the subject at hand, and the discussion forum would boil down into tech support, basically.
And yet discrediting other people's opinions by calling a game "overrated" is perfectly fine?

That's rich.
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Xoanon: Halo and the Final Fantasy series

Halo had pretty much been done before and better when it came out on Xbox.
As far as Final Fantasy goes there are some games I really like(FFTactics), some that I don't get the appeal of(FF7 and 10), and a couple that are genuinely bad(the MMOs).
I wouldn't call Final Fantasy XIV overrated because I don't think anyone liked it.
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Fenixp: Actually, Quake 4 is by far my most favorite Quake game. Everything just ticked with me about that game, it's pretty, it's quite varied and it keeps introducing new stuff throughout the whole game, and ... well, it's just generally very fun and enjoyable experience.
The gunplay in Quake 4 just felt right to me. While nostalgia won't let me say it's my favorite, it's definitely up there in quality with the others.
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doady: And yet discrediting other people's opinions by calling a game "overrated" is perfectly fine?

That's rich.
No, that's called trolling.

Disagreeing with other people while giving them valid arguments, or at least telling others why do you feel that way, is called making a point however. It's up to people that feel differently to either try and counter those arguments, or just ignore them, whatever they feel like doing.
and well halo is also an extremely overrated game. I usually do not play any console game but i just had to see what is so awesome with it. I played halo 1 with a friend till the end and well....
Must be good for many console gamers because they never played a serious ego-shooter before ?
The indoor levels (70-80% of the game) are close to a massive rip-off copy paste job.
The enemy types you could count on one hand. They even gave them different colours ( as if you would not notice this...) so that they can claim they have more...
The AI if you can call it like that was also no big deal either. For me halo was simply great for newbies and console gamers who never played pc shooters before. And you could play it together.
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Fenixp: Actually, Quake 4 is by far my most favorite Quake game. Everything just ticked with me about that game, it's pretty, it's quite varied and it keeps introducing new stuff throughout the whole game, and ... well, it's just generally very fun and enjoyable experience.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: The gunplay in Quake 4 just felt right to me. While nostalgia won't let me say it's my favorite, it's definitely up there in quality with the others.
Biggest thing that bugged me was how obsessively it pursused the idea of limbless torso as body horror. Horror, yes, but by the end of the game they had made it a cliche. In many other ways the game was truer to classic Doom than Doom 3 managed to be.
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Xoanon: Halo and the Final Fantasy series

Halo had pretty much been done before and better when it came out on Xbox.
As far as Final Fantasy goes there are some games I really like(FFTactics), some that I don't get the appeal of(FF7 and 10), and a couple that are genuinely bad(the MMOs).
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SpirlaStairs: I wouldn't call Final Fantasy XIV overrated because I don't think anyone liked it.
fanboys man, fanboys