eRe4s3r: ...that are nowhere near under control

eRe4s3r: I had to giggle when some Tepco drone said that "disasters of such nature could not have been predicted" ... thats right, unless you read a history book that goes farther back than 80 years.

xa_chan: 3 years from contained? well then you might have better sources of informations than me, because I never saw anywhere in the medias that they where giving a schedule for "containing" the reactor (oh, it's 4 reactors in one power plant, not 4 power plants).

xa_chan: For nowhere near under control reactors, I find they display a remarkable lack of explosion "chernobyl-way". And that's utterly spitting on the efforts of the crews up there. Weren't they in action, the situation would be far worse.

3 years from contained? well then you might have better sources of informations than me, because I never saw anywhere in the medias that they where giving a schedule for "containing" the reactor (oh, it's 4 reactors in one power plant, not 4 power plants).

RangerSolo: Just gotta love all the BS being pumped or pimped by the media. Or is it Tepco? Or is it the government? Both? Aw hell! All of the above.

eRe4s3r: You are right, i meant 4 reactors ;) And only 2 are/were spewing if we be exact ;)

Imo, "under control" means its under control without people having to sacrifice themselves. If they stop cooling now you got reactors going critical (+ the water basins with rods) + leaks and cracks everywhere, not really "under control" imo. Also you didn't get my point,i meant this "level" raise is a PR gag, it is not a Chernobyl level of catastrophe at all. And that is indeed thanks to those people working on these reactors.

Contained (imo) means that radioactivity is plotted properly in the exclusion zone. Contamination is complete, Rubble removed, diseased decontaminated, reactor buildings "covered", fuel rods from water basins removed etc. - The nuclear crisis is over, basically.

Do you disagree that 3 years is a decent guess for that? I think its a good guess... Although naturally i hope it is "fully over" a lot faster than that.

Anyhow, i mean no disrespect ^^

eRe4s3r: It seems systemic to nuclear disasters that governments never tell the whole truth. Maybe because the government doesn't know the whole truth as it relies on information from the companies running those very same nuclear reactors. And outside experts can not possibly grasp a complex structure like a nuclear reactor without a lot of effort and time, which is why the "real" scandal often only comes out years later when the people responsible can no longer be punished.

eRe4s3r: It seems systemic to nuclear disasters that governments never tell the whole truth. Maybe because the government doesn't know the whole truth as it relies on information from the companies running those very same nuclear reactors. And outside experts can not possibly grasp a complex structure like a nuclear reactor without a lot of effort and time, which is why the "real" scandal often only comes out years later when the people responsible can no longer be punished.

eRe4s3r: Theres a difference between knowing something and suspecting something. Just because I see an effect does not mean I know the cause. ;)

I am well aware of our German Satire shows, Neues aus der Anstalt is fairly famous as is the weekly "Heute Show" which you comes each friday ;) And am watching both ^^

In fact i wrote that exactly because i am well aware of what kind "stuff" is happening in Germany, the AKW Moratorium is the biggest farce we have ever witnessed. And thats not a minority opinion. Just 1 day before Merkel did her 180° turn she said "Our nuclear power plants are safe" - only to then come out and say, asked whether the moratorium meant they are not safe, that we can not call them unsafe, but have to make sure they are safe. The conclusion by the reporter, "so if we have to make sure they are safe, then we aren't sure they are safe right now?" ^^

And what happened to the ASSE II nuclear waste storage facility is the main reason population is by a majority against nuclear power (even before Japan) but as cynical as it sounds, this disaster has given the anti-nuclear movement a lot of push - especially after our gov had just "reversed" the "exit" from nuclear power and prolonged run times up to 15 years for old unsafe reactor designs) which had triggered a fairly large anti nuclear movement even before the events in Japan.

I just want to mention though, if you understand German you should take a look at the http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/ they have a very interesting "modern day" report about Chernobyl, called S-Bahn nach Tschernobyl (Video 28min)

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