It's been what, nearly 75 posts since my last post? Are we still just faffing about, or are people starting to solidify? The latest vote count and a quick vote check shows that the leading wagon has 3 votes and a whole bunch of wagons have 2 votes, so I guess we're still faffing about.

Probably less than 24 hours to deadline, people. Time to actually make some decisions.

You gave me pause. And scene's question actually makes sense.

I do believe I'm made good points about GR but you really did a whole lot of vote-hopping all of a sudden just to get back to square one in the end.

I'm not sure what to make of that.

@flub, would you lynch anyone other than GR? I'm not proposing an alternative but asking for your conviction on this.

So, trent is Joe, and Joe is Microfish, eh? Have I cracked the code?

Poor, poor Joe, left all alone without a scumbuddy at the start of D2! It's a good thing that you still have your little brother who understands your plight!


One of us isn't understanding the other, and I'm no longer certain it's you, but let's try this again:
A town full roleblocker only requires a single B to be rolled out of 7 dice. Vig needs VV, Cop needs CC. The chance for either of those is smaller than the chance for B.
That means that for full roles, doctor (and innocent child) are likeliest, then roleblocker, then cop, then vig.

What scum claims, has no bearing on the roles town has. Only that single B is necessary for town to have a full roleblocker (and thus 'counterclaim' scum), regardless of what scum is claiming.

Repeating yourself helps us validate the consistency of your play. And here's the thing. You haven't actually said anything about considering Joe or Pooka town on D2. (I just scanned over all your posts today again to make certain.) You mentioned me and bookwyrm in #550, but without any reasoning, just agreeing to trent's read.
The last time you gave anything resembling a read on Joe was during the blotunga wagon analysis:
Talk about wishy-washy...

I'll go check your D1 posts now.

Hey, that answer looks familiar!
The only "concerns and feelings" dedo ever shared on this subject before that point was this post:
Again tagging along with someone else's opinions.

Ah, and here we finally have a D1 read which mentions the four people in question:
(That also is the only other post in which dedo says anything about feeling bad about blotunga. And, I'm thinking, this was a major part in the way he pocketed me.)

Sorry for the whiplash my voting behaviour might be giving anyone. I think it likely that if dedo has a partner, it'll be Joe. But dedo I find much more certain now:
vote dedo

Vote Count

(When you see a vote count please quickly make sure your vote is against the correct player. Let me know if it's not)

GameRager 3 - Bookwyrm, Pooka, flub
scene 2 - Micro, GameRager
flub 1 - trent
JoeSapphire 1 - scene
dedo 1 - gogtrial

Everyone else - 0
Not voting: JoeSapphire, dedoporno

10 players left. It takes 6 to lynch.

I'm landing 7 pm UTC tomorrow, and since I'd rather be packing and having a nice Saturday before I leave, without worrying about Mafia, I'm not going to end it before that. So Day will end 7pm + howevermuch it takes me to drive to my place and get to my laptop.

Or you know, you could all go with a nice "Surprise! We hammered!" to greet me when I land.

Correction; there was one more dedo post on blotunga (which I missed because it didn't mention him by name):
In the interest of fairness, dedo, I went through your posts at speed, so it's possible I missed more. It's even possible I missed enough that I'll have to conclude that I'm wrong here. If I did, I would greatly appreciate it if you could point it out to me.

And I haven't said that my stance on either of them has changed since D1 either. In my book that means that I'm continuing to consider them more trustworthy then others.

I don't see the merit in repeating the same thing over and over again unless there is a notable change that needs to be pointed out.

On both days I've been agreeing with thoughts and opinions from the people on that list or I in some cases when we wouldn't agree I would see be able to make some sense trying to look from their perspective.

You happen to be one I believe is making most sense, take that in whatever way you like.

Wyrm's general behavior seems to come from Town's mindset and things he has brought up about the game make more sense on that side of things.

Pooka also seems to be trying to figure the game out and even though in some cases we seem to see things differently my general feeling about him is positive.

I told Joe himself that I prefer to consider him as Town when he asked if I think his lynch would be a mislynch when GR was ready to vote for him. He felt different before when he was scum.

I don't know what else you expect but that's what I have to offer.


Also, I can't say I appreciate the fact that you are painting my original stance on blotunga as piggybacking just because I wasn't on it first. Do I have to apologize about joining the game almost 3 days after it started and things had already happened?

How?

I am amused. :)

Isn't this basically what GameRager suggested doing with Scene and JoeSapphire?

I don't agree with that reasoning. I don't put stock in "SPF did/did not interact with certain players, therefore they are/are not scum." I think there's too much happenstance involved.

Also, have you considered who SPF interacted with in a pro-active manner, as opposed to only a reactive manner? Were there players that SPF addressed only because they addressed him first? That question goes for both this game and the other game.

You know that old adage about "I'm not a 15 year old girl, but I play one on the internet"?

I'm currently amusing myself by imagining you as a 15 year old girl pretending to be some wildly drunk, cranky old dude.

You and everyone else, apparently. I'm so deep wolf that even I think I'm town.

Hi Bler!

...

Less bloodshed, believe it or not. I don't think I've ever managed to kill someone while not town (lynches don't count). I've tried a few times, but it has always failed due to game rules and not some town role.

Yay gardening!! :D

I think I missed that. Where?

No. But thanks for making ZFR twitch. :)

My math and method matched gogtrial, so yay.

Hey Dedo, we've talked a fair bit here on D2. I have a question for you.

Do you have a trap in mind?

Super-huge congratulations to Grace, her betrothed, you, and all of both families! I am so glad that this day has arrived! :D I wish them all the best and decades of a full and happy marriage!

Groan.

I don't know what you expect me to point out if you actually ISO'd my posts and didn't see anything of merit in them. I believe I've made good points on the few suspects I've had so far (even though in blotunga's case the final result turned out a failure). I can't not acknowledge that I'm probably wrong about others as well - it's likely some of them are among the people I consider less or even not at all scummy - but I've made my stance and I'm sticking to it. Especially when we know that there are 2 mafiosos left at most - so if I do suspect particular people more, others would look that much better by extension (based on interactions with these suspects, the flipped scums and general behavior). All of that plus gut feelings.

The only thing that actually made me pump the breaks a few posts ago was the quick shift in flubs vote back and forth based on what I wrote about the claim and counter-claim (which wasn't even meant as a major point by the way, just another small thing that I thought about and decided to share, but it was blown out of proportion anyway).


Nothing pro-active, unfortunately.

Weird, non-town play.

I agree with what I've snipped.
This is 1/2 of the "Unbeatable duo" or some such from last game; he certainly has guts to do it, and I think his read on flub also having guts enough is correct.

1) Very Good.
2) In a word, No--he voted for that theory. I am not voting for Flub; merely speculating and theorizing. My vote is still on scene, who I barely still find scummiest.

Gulp. This. Both of this. them. these. those. toes. Take your pick. (but not dude, toot
One certainly wonders. So, who would you vote for if you had to leave your current vote? How certain are you of it? Or aren't you? Town-you certainly does want to buy everyone lunch; how much of this is "lets eliminate everyone and see what happens," how much is based on "willing to vote at the slightest provocation"?
Since you've done all this math, and there's a decent chance there is a t!rb, if it isn't GR, would you encourage them to step up or not? If so, when? why?
Ugh, mosquitoes.

1. I believe I told someone this before: I did it because the wagon was going fairly quickly for me and I didn't want to go to bed/out of the home/etc and come back 18+ hours later to find i'd been lynched. Sometimes I don't check as often as I should with this game(for new posts) and I jumped the gun and claimed because of that, and also to save town the role I provide.

As for my analysis of you: That's just how I play(again).....I have trouble as some do remembering huge amount of min or details and keep tabs on what seems most suspect to me along with some major details of player's posts/interactions/etc.

2. That is all true and you are not my primary role block choice anymore.....as for who i'd pick if not you: It'd likely be someone on my current wagon or maybe Flub for their odd playstyle/etc.



1. Good points, and I am trying my best to prove my claims but I don't know how I could prove it anhy more at this point.

As for my actions: I checked into finding my past games but as others said the forum search is trash and I don't remember the games I played in(but I do know how I played in general and that I was town doctor in one). Do I contact a mafia admin user for such info? Is that allowed while playing a current mafia game?

2. The funny thing is others here have stated it would be ok to lynch fellow town for various reasons INCLUDING to read thier wagons the next "day", yet when I use it as a tactic it's suddenly more suspect?

As for scene's claim: I skimmed(to my detriment) and didn't see that when I picked him as a block target last "night".

(Hope you got some sleep, at any rate.....I full well know the effects of not going with enough sleep)


I don't believe I said that.....just that at this point he is less of a potential block target atm.

9If I DID say that could someone point the post out to me? Thanks)

Good news to hear and Flub is on my list os possible scum as well so i'll keep an eye out if I survive to the next "day". :)

I am not mafia/scum.....btw you two seem awfully eager to lynch someone who might be an important town role.....reasons for this eagerness?


Unvoting makes you look more town yet the reply itself makes you look a bit suspect(to me)......hmm, what to do(on who to block).

Also, why did you choose JoeSapphire so readily in Post 637?

Why vote for me this late into the "day" when others have dropped off the wagon? Why didn't you do it back when I was very close to lynch? Just curious.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_59_previously_on_mafia/post589

First paragraph