Posted October 10, 2015
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dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
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dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
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HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted October 10, 2015
Sorry peeps, I see we have a Crisis Event in full swing, but I woke up sick this morning, and am fighting a temperature all day long.
I will try to catch up, and hopefully be back later with something game-related.
I will try to catch up, and hopefully be back later with something game-related.
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dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
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mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
Posted October 10, 2015
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In all other cases, I referenced stats, but never directly mentioned my PM. It was merely an assumption on the part of others that made them draw the conclusion that I was speaking about my PM. I like to mess with people's assumptions in Mafia; a lot can be learned by which direction people choose to jump when forced to fill in the blanks for themselves.
It other words, I am demonstrably not a liar in this case.
So this is just saying stuff completely unrelated to the game? In a reply to the game mod? Just to mess with everybody's assumption a player's post would be about the game we are playing together at that moment? So whatever you say as long as you don't directly (or obliquely) mention your PM I should just disregard as it's probably not really game related anyway? At least if you're talking about yourself that is.
I'm sorry, I like that you actually took the time to answer my questions and I like that you said that you were only telling the truth. But when I think about it, you say you haven't actually said anything about your PM ever (apart from saying you have a FIN stat), so therefore it can't possibly be a lie.
The Vote stays. Although I am tempted to switch over to Vitek now :/
Because:
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I get what he's doing with that post, but I still find it wrong (the post, not his intention).
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It's my lowest stat so I know it can't be that good.
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And this time there really is no saying "I didn't mention my pm" or something, because that was unmistakenly a claim of stats.
Now if it was a gambit to do, I don't know what, tell us it's bad to talk pm or get scum to go with it and claim high stats as that or whatever, then please tell us and say it was just a little white lie and your stats aren't really that high. Or say that was the total honest truth and if you don't believe me you have to lynch or investigate me. Don't just let it stand there.
This stuff is really bothering me. On one Hand I get told, you get to catch scum by making their slipping up (ie. catch them in a lie) and on the other hand stuff like this is just totally accepted behaviour.
How will we be able to lynch any scum for a lie after that?
(On refresh: Well dedoporno already said most of it and more, but I worked (too?) long on my post, so I'll post it anyway :P)
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mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
Posted October 10, 2015
EBWOP: I miscounted. (I forgot I quoted the original claim first) it's six people that I quoted so with me and crow and jmich on top, that is 9 people out of 16 indicating 17 as a lowest stat is too high to be believable.
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yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
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Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted October 10, 2015
Like I said, and you quoted: "I have spoken about the contents of my PM without inaccuracy throughout the entire thread."
That is not contained in my my PM, and I never said it was.
mchack: (that means I'm expecting a 7?7 (probably 757 or 747) in stats from you) or is the only thing you indirectly told the truth about from your pm, that you have a FIN stat? It was in reference to my forum reputation at that time. Ignoring this is just being willfully obtuse.
Yep.
mchack: Just to mess with everybody's assumption a player's post would be about the game we are playing together at that moment? Partly. It was also my way of saying "Look, here are some obviously bullshit stats, can we stop talking about this now?" to the other town players. Some players seemed to get it; interesting that you did not.
mchack: So whatever you say as long as you don't directly (or obliquely) mention your PM I should just disregard as it's probably not really game related anyway? At least if you're talking about yourself that is. Well, you could always ask for clarification. You never did ask the right questions.
mchack: I'm sorry, I like that you actually took the time to answer my questions and I like that you said that you were only telling the truth. But when I think about it, you say you haven't actually said anything about your PM ever (apart from saying you have a FIN stat), so therefore it can't possibly be a lie. Hence why I said "Sounds fun." when you threatened to go after me for LAL reasons. It was highly amusing to me, since there was no possible way I could lose that argument.
Predictable.
That is not contained in my my PM, and I never said it was.
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Yep.
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Predictable.
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trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
Posted October 10, 2015
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One point I would make is that I am not so easily convinced the mission will succeed if there are bad guys on board. I don’t know anything about “Battlestar Galactica the Board Game”, but here, I think it’s all about individual players’ styles. If I were Scum, I could not have volunteered for this job fast enough just for the chance to fuck shit up and see what happens… and yeah, LAMIST, I get it, but damn, for real, you know? You know I would. Despite the optics, I gotta say it, because it’s why I won’t assume that a) just taking volunteers is all you need to consider to fill the job with Townies, and b) the mission will succeed regardless of who’s on it. I sorta feel like saying “I’m sure the mission will be a success” out loud is a possible way for one Scumbuddy to send some advice to his pal on the team. Call me paranoid. Since I believe the player selecting the team must be Town (and ineligible to participate himself), I think the best strategy is to ignore the volunteers and the stat reveals and pick based on Towniness. Which, granted, is nearly impossible Day 1, hence why nobody will care anyway!
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mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
Posted October 10, 2015
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Hehe, well like you have better reasons for your vote.
ok, here it goes:
vote vitek
for the reason mentioned here
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JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted October 10, 2015
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Why do I have the feeling that you are somehow a mind reader? Could it be that I hadn't mentioned that part before, but only in the post after yours? Or are my memory banks failing me?
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Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted October 10, 2015
Are you saying your reasons are bad? :-)
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mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
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Krypsyn
The Anti-Hippie
Registered: Oct 2008
From United States
Posted October 11, 2015
I like to ask about the 'Why' more than the 'What'. Often in Mafia, in my experience, why someone does something is far more important than what they do. But that is always the trick, isn't it? Figuring out motivations can be challenging.
I don't know about that. I had fun. :)
Okay. This wasn't a question, but it was the right one. I wasn't actually expecting someone to question me on why my vote is still on yogsloth until closer to a deadline. ;)
The simple answer is that I did have a reason to vote for yogsloth, and I still have the same reason (with some positive reinforcement). Nobody else seems scummier to me currently.
I don't know about that. I had fun. :)
Okay. This wasn't a question, but it was the right one. I wasn't actually expecting someone to question me on why my vote is still on yogsloth until closer to a deadline. ;)
The simple answer is that I did have a reason to vote for yogsloth, and I still have the same reason (with some positive reinforcement). Nobody else seems scummier to me currently.
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Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted October 11, 2015
What am I supposed to explain?