Posted September 29, 2015
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trentonlf
Easily amused
Registered: Apr 2014
From United States
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RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted September 29, 2015
45 minutes til midnight, still haven't heard from BlueMooner nor HijacK today...
Post edited September 29, 2015 by RWarehall
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cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted September 29, 2015
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Anything different for yours? aka why do you ask?
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RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted September 29, 2015
Monday noon vote count...
2 Flubbucket (Lifthrasil, Dedoporno)
1 BlueMooner (Trentonlf)
There are 12 players left and it takes 7 votes to force someone off the island and 6 votes to No-Lynch.
Deadline is in 24 hours, Tuesday September 29th Midnight EDT (UTC -4) [Wednesday Sept 30th at 4 am UTC]
Not appearing today: BlueMooner and HijacK
Deadline is tomorrow!
Bagatha Chrustie seems to be mostly passed out in the corner with a brown bag in her hand.
There are occassional mutterings...
***slow as molasses***
***why did I sign up for this***
***my career, my career***
2 Flubbucket (Lifthrasil, Dedoporno)
1 BlueMooner (Trentonlf)
There are 12 players left and it takes 7 votes to force someone off the island and 6 votes to No-Lynch.
Deadline is in 24 hours, Tuesday September 29th Midnight EDT (UTC -4) [Wednesday Sept 30th at 4 am UTC]
Not appearing today: BlueMooner and HijacK
Deadline is tomorrow!
Bagatha Chrustie seems to be mostly passed out in the corner with a brown bag in her hand.
There are occassional mutterings...
***slow as molasses***
***why did I sign up for this***
***my career, my career***
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mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
Posted September 29, 2015
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Anything different for yours? aka why do you ask?
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So you're a watcher that wouldn't see if someone else visited me? Am I reading your restriction correctly?
It's nice that you widened my choice of possible unrestictions today to 4. Now scum has more potential to get it wrong :D
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Trent - stopped a forming wagon on flub and then conveniently lost his powers. Right now there is no way to confirm him and I believe granting him his supposed powers back is just a waste of time and action anyway. We might as well confirm his read on flub.
Flub - so far he hasn't done anything in favor of the Town, conflicted Yog until the very last moment, then suggested one of the (in my opinion) easiest lynch targets. Got on Krypsyn's wagon at the very end. Didn't get on CSPVG's wagon but stayed on Yog's. We might as well confirm Trent's read on him.
Books - Suggested random lynching once again. Remained on HijacK's wagon when CSPVG's happened even though a bunch of people backed the self-help guru theory. Refused to get on Krypsyn's wagon and just to spite Yogsloth and potentially protect himself from being pursued by Yogsloth further. Still holds suspicion towards the gurus even though they are but confirmed by all kinds of bits and pieces.
I would go with books but I believe the Flub/Trent duo is the more logical choice since it's almost certainly 2 birds with 1 stone.
Flub is concerning me more and I prefer to go for him even though Trent says he's already debilitated.
The surviving player would be pursued depending of the flip of his counterpart and potentially on some nightly reports. Same goes for books.
vote flub
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Much to learn I have...
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@Hijack, If BlueMooner is unable to play the game he should ask to be replaced. I have the utmost sympathy for him in his situation, it sucks big time. But if he can't commit to playing he needs to realize this and leave the game. The first game we were in we had a player who just stopped playing all together that we ignored and it cost Town the game. I don't want to see that happen again. So I'm sorry for what BlueMooner is going through, but he needs to either play or leave.
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So without thinking about sage I didn't see how trent voting and asking for bluemooner to be replaced, could be him covering for his scum buddy bluemooner. But then I realized, if bluemooner was scum, he could be lynched today for lurking and would be gone to his buddy trent, so asking him to get a replacement instead of getting lynched for lurking could be considered covering?
I know now that's not it, it's just to explain why I wrote what I wrote.
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cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted September 29, 2015
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@Hyper - a piggyback on mchack's question in the last post...are you more apt to believe flubb is town as a result of what you find? I don't think I've noticed as much and not certain what to make of it.
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JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
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dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
Posted September 29, 2015
More like I don't trust what he says. And yes, I doubt I see everything that's there to be seen since I don't have time to re-read as much as I'd like.
The amount of activity around here makes me afraid we'll finally end up no-lynching, though.
The amount of activity around here makes me afraid we'll finally end up no-lynching, though.
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cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
Posted September 29, 2015
Here are CSPVG’s wagon: Cristigale, McHack, Yogsloth, Dedoporno, Krypsyn, AgentCarr16, Lifthrasil, HypersomniacLive, HijacK
And Krypsyn’s wagon: McHack, Yogsloth, Lifthrasil, Dedoporno, Trentonlf, JMich, Flubbucket, Cristigale
Of those players still in the game (listed in alphabetical order):
Voted on both CSPVG and Krypsyn: cristi, dedo, lift, mchack
Voted on CSPVG only: HijacK, Hyper
Voted on Krypsyn only: flubb, JMich, trent
Voted on neither CSPVG or Krypsyn: adalia, BlueMooner, Sage
Given the quick nature of CSPVG’s lynch and alternative candidates, scum had more time to jump on Kryspyn’s wagon and no other existing wagons to join. Assuming two scum are remaining, I expect at least one scum on Kryspyn’s wagon.
When considering flubb and trent, if flubb is lynched and flips town, then trent is likely town. Why would scum step in and claim unexpectedly to help flubb? If trent is lynched and flips scum, flubb is likely scum. Again, why would scum claim out of the blue to help a town receiving pressure? If flubb flipped scum or trent flipped town, the conclusion about the other party is not as cut and dry for me. I would tend to lean towards whichever alignment flipped.
I’ll be checking the game from my phone as often as possible today.
And Krypsyn’s wagon: McHack, Yogsloth, Lifthrasil, Dedoporno, Trentonlf, JMich, Flubbucket, Cristigale
Of those players still in the game (listed in alphabetical order):
Voted on both CSPVG and Krypsyn: cristi, dedo, lift, mchack
Voted on CSPVG only: HijacK, Hyper
Voted on Krypsyn only: flubb, JMich, trent
Voted on neither CSPVG or Krypsyn: adalia, BlueMooner, Sage
Given the quick nature of CSPVG’s lynch and alternative candidates, scum had more time to jump on Kryspyn’s wagon and no other existing wagons to join. Assuming two scum are remaining, I expect at least one scum on Kryspyn’s wagon.
When considering flubb and trent, if flubb is lynched and flips town, then trent is likely town. Why would scum step in and claim unexpectedly to help flubb? If trent is lynched and flips scum, flubb is likely scum. Again, why would scum claim out of the blue to help a town receiving pressure? If flubb flipped scum or trent flipped town, the conclusion about the other party is not as cut and dry for me. I would tend to lean towards whichever alignment flipped.
I’ll be checking the game from my phone as often as possible today.
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HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
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adaliabooks
"Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?"
Registered: Jun 2013
From United Kingdom
Posted September 29, 2015
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. mchack's power appears to be a day power, so the unrestricted role is free to use their ability straight away (dedo seems to confirm this as he used a power both nights)
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I see dedoporno already covered it, but what's with the "appears"?
@mchack - see what I mean?
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But my point, which you seem to miss, is that HSL doesn't seem to have taken in the fact that unrestricting is a day power, so maybe he needs to ask himself the question.
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I've been called out a number of times in previous games for saying things like "we know" or "someone is such and such" and people saying these are not facts that we know, just assumptions based off people's claims etc.
So now I'm always quite careful to never state anything as a fact unless it's been confirmed by a flip...
I did. As I doubt any claim until it has further corroboration. Ok, in this case the doubts are fairly small as while they could have been a scum duo together it seems highly unlikely.
Fair enough, that makes much more sense when put that way.
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This is a really good analysis of the situation and some good points. What I'm wondering though, is why have you voted flub if you believe trent is lying? Or am I just misunderstanding the point of that first section of analysis?
Of the two I think trent is the obvious lynch target:
1) If he flips scum then there's a good chance flub is scum (why would scum save a townie from lynch? Unless it was purely for town points, but that only works if flub is confirmed or flips town). The same can't necessarily be said in reverse, as trent could have mistakenly leapt to flub's defence thinking he was town.
2) He is claiming to have been restricted, so if he is town and telling the truth we don't lose much, plus we learn that there is a scum restrictor. Whereas flub (if he is town) has a yet to be confirmed role which may be of use to us.
3) There seems to be more evidence to suggest he may be lying about his role or actions.
So I think for know I will:
Vote trentonlf
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JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted September 29, 2015
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(A) There’s been one NK each Night so far.
(B) yogsloth said he felt something like a role-block on N1.
(C) According to trentonlf (posts #1066 and #1075) there’s a scum role-restrictor.
What are the possible scenarios here?
Case #1: We have one mafia team
(1.1) We still have three scum left, assuming that they can’t use any power they have and perform the NK.
(1.2) We have two scum left, assuming that they can use any abilities they have and perform the NK.
I don’t remember what RWarehall’s stance is on the matter of total number of scum, but given that we already lynched two scum, I find (1.1) quite unlikely as that would put the total number of scum to five.
Which brings us to (1.2) - would our mod give scum the flexibility/power to function in the manner of (1.2)?
If the answer is yes, then we’re pretty screwed, as scum will always be one step ahead of town, especially as our numbers decrease with every NK.
If the answer is no, then one of (A) – (C) can’t be true, and the most likely to be false is (C).
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Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted September 29, 2015
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So I really don't see, why you don't get and don't like an attempt to ensure an easy win for town. Unless, of course, you are scum. Then I would entirely understand, why you didn't like the push for mass-claim yesterday.
As for today: I didn't push for it today, I asked whether you think it would still be beneficial for town today, considering scum knows now what is going on.
Nice summary. I also still think that lynching flubb is the best way to go. Either we hit scum (hopefully) or we basically clear trent. The first would obviously be great, the second wouldn't be bad for town either.
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Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
Registered: Apr 2011
From Germany
Posted September 29, 2015
Another reason I prefer flubb over trent is, that flubb utterly refused to claim when he was nominated to go first. So the only way to find out more about him is a lynch - he even said so himself. Categorically refusing to claim, in a situation where a claim would have been beneficial to town and difficult and dangerous to scum, is in itself a scummy thing to do. Trent, however, has already claimed and that claim can be cross-checked with flubb's flip.
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mchack
more than enough!
Registered: Dec 2014
From Germany
Posted September 29, 2015
vote flubbucket
for all the good reasons given already. (will have more time to comment later)
@HyperSomniacLive: Please, would you write it out for the slow witted like myself what you think flubs might be? Pretty please with sugar on top? You know I won't believe you, when you go "that's what I thought all along" after the flip :P
for all the good reasons given already. (will have more time to comment later)
@HyperSomniacLive: Please, would you write it out for the slow witted like myself what you think flubs might be? Pretty please with sugar on top? You know I won't believe you, when you go "that's what I thought all along" after the flip :P