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Posted September 01, 2009
Any reason why UT:2004 is split into 3 files, when 2 of them are only 2mb in size? One of the things I loved about all the other games from GOG I've gotten is they're a single install file, and easy to store/manage. Now granted this isn't a big issue, just more of an annoyance. :)
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Posted September 01, 2009
That does seem a bit odd, what are all the files called?
Posted September 01, 2009
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Ralackk: That does seem a bit odd, what are all the files called?

Yea I thought it was odd as well.
setup_ut2004.exe - 2mb
setup_ut2004-1.bin - 2gb
setup_ut2004-2.bin - 2mb
I can understand having the exe and the bin file if they didn't want to repackage the install, but two bin's with one of them being only 2mb? That's what I found really odd.
In fact, now that I think about it, with every other game I've purchased from here (about 15 or so) they've all been completely repackaged into a single file... why was this one not?
Post edited September 01, 2009 by Sielle
Posted September 01, 2009
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Ralackk: That does seem a bit odd, what are all the files called?
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Sielle: Yea I thought it was odd as well.
setup_ut2004.exe - 2mb
setup_ut2004-1.bin - 2gb
setup_ut2004-2.bin - 2mb
I can understand having the exe and the bin file if they didn't want to repackage the install, but two bin's with one of them being only 2mb? That's what I found really odd.
In fact, now that I think about it, with every other game I've purchased from here (about 15 or so) they've all been completely repackaged into a single file... why was this one not?

There is a maximum file size limit for executables of 2GB. Now, I've downloaded the three files and as long as you have them all in the same place it will install fine. The big file shows as 1.95GB however, so I'm not sure why it couldn't be packaged into one big file unless it's something to do with compression. But generally GOG split the game installers when games are 2GB or more due to this Windows file size limit.
Posted September 01, 2009
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Sielle: Yea I thought it was odd as well.
setup_ut2004.exe - 2mb
setup_ut2004-1.bin - 2gb
setup_ut2004-2.bin - 2mb
I can understand having the exe and the bin file if they didn't want to repackage the install, but two bin's with one of them being only 2mb? That's what I found really odd.
In fact, now that I think about it, with every other game I've purchased from here (about 15 or so) they've all been completely repackaged into a single file... why was this one not?
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korell: There is a maximum file size limit for executables of 2GB. Now, I've downloaded the three files and as long as you have them all in the same place it will install fine. The big file shows as 1.95GB however, so I'm not sure why it couldn't be packaged into one big file unless it's something to do with compression. But generally GOG split the game installers when games are 2GB or more due to this Windows file size limit.

That doesn't make sense though, the file size limitation on both Fat32 and even Fat16 is 4,294,967,295 bytes ((2^32)-1 bytes). And even if there was a 2GB limit due to the software they're using to package it, they should still be under that limit with all 3 files, and even if they weren't (didn't check the exact bytes) why split it into 3 files, and not just 2?
As much as I love GOG, this doesn't make much sense, unless they just wrapped the setup.exe and that's all they did? (Which if that's it, that's fine, I just want to know.)
Also it seems that even with the files renamed it still works as long as all three are in the same directory.
Posted September 01, 2009
You've already been told the answer, dude. EXE files cannot handle data files over 2 GB. It's a limitation built into the specification.
Posted September 01, 2009
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gbarules2999: You've already been told the answer, dude. EXE files cannot handle data files over 2 GB. It's a limitation built into the specification.

Obviously you haven't read all that's been said... even if that is the case, there's no need for 3 files, when 2 would have worked, and 1 would work if it's just a size issue, and all 3 are under 2GB total.
So "Dude", why don't you actually read things again, and then if you have something worth adding, come on back and play with the adults. Thanks. :)
Posted September 01, 2009
The exe file is the installer itself, which they separate from the data files with large games. This is a mechanic so that they can update the installer alone if there's an issue. I assume the installer slideshow isn't going to show a screenshot of the GOG.com website in beta form forever. (I'd prefer they do this with every game, because I don't have the fastest internet, but I do agree that it would be a pain to archive.)
All three are not 2 GB overall; they are just barely over it. The largest 2 GB file is exactly 2 GB, along with a 3 MB installer and a 5 MB file. I don't know why you think differently; this was reiterated by both Vista and Ubuntu on my end A copy and paste job: "2.0 GB (2,097,510,656 Bytes)"). Perhaps there's a setting that changes the formatting a bit in the file size so that it's displayed differently for you or for GOG.com. Maybe my computer's wrong. Who knows? I doubt it matters much.
As both I and the other poster said above, an exe file cannot handle more than 2 GB in a file at a time. So there must have just been a sliver of data left over from compressing and it had to be left dangling on the edge. Considering the game is 6.5 GB uncompressed, that's a pretty big difference once installed. Even if I'm wrong and it is under 2 GB, I'd rather they play it safe anyway and go the "annoying" route rather than "it doesn't work on my computer" route.
Yes, it's a crying tragedy that the game was just slightly too big to fit into one big file. I agree. Now go ahead and grow up a bit before you start throwing insults around at the slightest provocation, and you might just be part of this gang of "adults" you claim I do not belong in.
Post edited September 01, 2009 by gbarules2999
Posted September 02, 2009
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gbarules2999: The exe file is the installer itself, which they separate from the data files with large games. This is a mechanic so that they can update the installer alone if there's an issue. I assume the installer slideshow isn't going to show a screenshot of the GOG.com website in beta form forever. (I'd prefer they do this with every game, because I don't have the fastest internet, but I do agree that it would be a pain to archive.)
All three are not 2 GB overall; they are just barely over it. The largest 2 GB file is exactly 2 GB, along with a 3 MB installer and a 5 MB file. I don't know why you think differently; this was reiterated by both Vista and Ubuntu on my end A copy and paste job: "2.0 GB (2,097,510,656 Bytes)"). Perhaps there's a setting that changes the formatting a bit in the file size so that it's displayed differently for you or for GOG.com. Maybe my computer's wrong. Who knows? I doubt it matters much.
As both I and the other poster said above, an exe file cannot handle more than 2 GB in a file at a time. So there must have just been a sliver of data left over from compressing and it had to be left dangling on the edge. Considering the game is 6.5 GB uncompressed, that's a pretty big difference once installed. Even if I'm wrong and it is under 2 GB, I'd rather they play it safe anyway and go the "annoying" route rather than "it doesn't work on my computer" route.
Yes, it's a crying tragedy that the game was just slightly too big to fit into one big file. I agree. Now go ahead and grow up a bit before you start throwing insults around at the slightest provocation, and you might just be part of this gang of "adults" you claim I do not belong in.

Correct, the one bin is showing 2,097,510,656 bytes, but that still leaves 49,972,991 bytes before hitting the (2^31)-1 limit of 2GB file size. With the second bin being only 3,010,009 bytes... that's a buffer of 46,962,982 bytes. The executable is only 2,489,303 bytes, still over 40,000,000 bytes left... even if they split the executable off from the data files, why two bin files when both would easily fit together?
If you believe my math is wrong, please point out where, but keep in mind that 1GB is not equal to 1,000,000,000 bytes.
I just found it odd, and was curious as to why the files were split the way they were (It's not keeping me from enjoying the game). So I thought I'd ask if any one knew why, and so far the data doesn't back up anything anyone (including yourself) has provided.
I'm going to ignore your insults and provocations, but if you do have any "useful" information to this puzzle, please do share.
Posted September 02, 2009
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gbarules2999: The exe file is the installer itself, which they separate from the data files with large games. This is a mechanic so that they can update the installer alone if there's an issue. I assume the installer slideshow isn't going to show a screenshot of the GOG.com website in beta form forever. (I'd prefer they do this with every game, because I don't have the fastest internet, but I do agree that it would be a pain to archive.)
All three are not 2 GB overall; they are just barely over it. The largest 2 GB file is exactly 2 GB, along with a 3 MB installer and a 5 MB file. I don't know why you think differently; this was reiterated by both Vista and Ubuntu on my end A copy and paste job: "2.0 GB (2,097,510,656 Bytes)"). Perhaps there's a setting that changes the formatting a bit in the file size so that it's displayed differently for you or for GOG.com. Maybe my computer's wrong. Who knows? I doubt it matters much.
As both I and the other poster said above, an exe file cannot handle more than 2 GB in a file at a time. So there must have just been a sliver of data left over from compressing and it had to be left dangling on the edge. Considering the game is 6.5 GB uncompressed, that's a pretty big difference once installed. Even if I'm wrong and it is under 2 GB, I'd rather they play it safe anyway and go the "annoying" route rather than "it doesn't work on my computer" route.
Yes, it's a crying tragedy that the game was just slightly too big to fit into one big file. I agree. Now go ahead and grow up a bit before you start throwing insults around at the slightest provocation, and you might just be part of this gang of "adults" you claim I do not belong in.
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Sielle: Correct, the one bin is showing 2,097,510,656 bytes, but that still leaves 49,972,991 bytes before hitting the (2^31)-1 limit of 2GB file size. With the second bin being only 3,010,009 bytes... that's a buffer of 46,962,982 bytes. The executable is only 2,489,303 bytes, still over 40,000,000 bytes left... even if they split the executable off from the data files, why two bin files when both would easily fit together?
If you believe my math is wrong, please point out where, but keep in mind that 1GB is not equal to 1,000,000,000 bytes.
I just found it odd, and was curious as to why the files were split the way they were (It's not keeping me from enjoying the game). So I thought I'd ask if any one knew why, and so far the data doesn't back up anything anyone (including yourself) has provided.
I'm going to ignore your insults and provocations, but if you do have any "useful" information to this puzzle, please do share.

Actually, as far as hard drive manufacturers are concerned, 1GB does equal 1,000,000,000 bytes, but that's a different matter.
You asked the question on a forum, we've given the best answer we can give you. If you want more details then raise a ticket with GOG support.
Posted September 03, 2009
Not a complete answer, but as much info as I think any user is going to know if GOG hasn't said anything about it before. At any rate, I marked korell as the solution for the rep as he was the first to respond with the most information. Thanks everyone that tried to help. :)
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