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I found a cave by a mountain lake roughly where the dungeon Shame was in Ultima 4, 5, 6. One of my party members said it is the Dungeon Despise.

Is there another entrance to Despise in the more traditional location north-ish of Britain?
This question / problem has been solved by GeistSRimage
There's only one way in, as far as I can remember. There are a bunch of ways to get out though.
Just to make sure: if you are NOT playing with my Nitpicker Patch installed but plain Vanilla version, Shamino confuses dungeons Shame and Despise in Ultima 7, so you might want to doublecheck, which dungeon you are actually in when looking for entrances/exits ;-)
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Sir.John: Just to make sure: if you are NOT playing with my Nitpicker Patch installed but plain Vanilla version, Shamino confuses dungeons Shame and Despise in Ultima 7, so you might want to doublecheck, which dungeon you are actually in when looking for entrances/exits ;-)
Ha! Thank you, I'm glad I asked.

I am playing GOG Ultima 7 without any patches. I didn't enter it but a party member, probably Shamino, definitely said "this is the dungeon Despise" at the location where Shame was in U4/U5/U6.

If I understand you correctly, in plain Vanilla Ultima 7, Shamino will say "This is Shame" when I'm at the correct entrance for the dungeon Despise?
Post edited February 21, 2021 by 6502_Workshop
Yes, exactly.
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Sir.John: Yes, exactly.
Thanks for your help.

I am getting confusing results.

In my GOG no-patch version of U7, I jumped on the magic carpet and flew east to west over the entirety of the Serpent's Spine. I found two caves:

9N, 30N - Shamino says "this is Despise" (in the lake where Shame was in Ultima 4/5/6)
31N, 4W - Shamino doesn't say anything.

I'm trying not to "look stuff up" as it is my first time playing Ultima 7, but I thought given the bug issue in play here I'd lookup the coordinates of Despise get a general idea of where to look.

I found this link from 2002, which I assume predates Exult and any of the patches and would match the GOG Version I'm playing.

https://www.ign.com/faqs/2002/ultima-vii-the-black-gate-walkthroughfaq-372519

In the list of dungeons it lists Despise as being at 9N, 30N, where Shamino says it is, which is by the mountain lake where Shame was in Ultima 4/5/6. And, Shame isn't listed on on their dungeon list at all.

What I'm ultimately trying to confirm is which dungeon entrance should I use for the mission the Time Lord gives me to destroy the generator (he says it's in Despise)? It seem like I should use the cave entrance at 9N, 30N which Shamino calls Despise, but I'd rather avoid a wild goose chase.

Thanks much for any insight anyone has!
Post edited February 22, 2021 by 6502_Workshop
In the unpatched game, they call Shame Despise, and they don't call out Despise at all, though it still exists in its traditional location. For the generator quest, you'll want the Shame entrance.
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GeistSR: In the unpatched game, they call Shame Despise, and they don't call out Despise at all, though it still exists in its traditional location. For the generator quest, you'll want the Shame entrance.
Wow, what a hot mess of confusion LOL. Thanks for confirming the bottom line though, on which entrance to use for the generator quest!
To remove further confusion, if any, you need the dungeon where you got the flying carpet from, e.g. the dungeon with the small lake in front of its entrance. :)