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Ultima seriesUltima 7.5 SI: accidentally drank bottle found by Obelisk(12 posts)solved(12 posts)solved
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Posted March 09, 2021
I'm playing the GOG version (no patches)

I'm working on the Monitor traitor quest and I drank the drank bottle found by Obelisk in the forest north of Knight's Test. Somebody in the party called out about it and I thought it was just Dupre wanting a drink cause that's his thing.

I've since learned that that is the item I was supposed to find there to unlock dialog options with others back in Monitor.

Is there any way to recover from this, such by installing Ultima Hacks and creating the bottle in the create menu?

Thanks much for any suggestions anyone has.
This question / problem has been solved by Gotchaimage
Posted March 09, 2021
I think there's no problem here, since your party members spotted the bottle, but I'm not 100% certain.
Have you tried talking to Simon the Innkeeper, asking about the bottle?

Edit: Try placing one of his own bottles into your backpack before talking to him.
Post edited March 09, 2021 by Gotcha
Posted March 09, 2021
If you drank the bottle WITHOUT picking it up (if you consumed it while it was still on the ground) the necessary egg is not set and you will need the cheatmode to trigger it manually or reload and play it again

If you picked it up and THEN drank the ale, it is sufficient to get another bottle from Simons shelf prior to talking to him.
Posted March 09, 2021
Man, that's quite the developer oversight.

So technically, what you could do is grab a bottle, go back to the obelisk, place the bottle in the right spot and pick it up again.
I've made a screenshot of where the location would be (at the 'u' symbols):
https://avatar.home.xs4all.nl/crap/bottle_location.png
Post edited March 09, 2021 by Gotcha
Posted March 09, 2021
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Gotcha: Man, that's quite the developer oversight.

So technically, what you could do is grab a bottle, go back to the obelisk, place the bottle in the right spot and pick it up again.
I've made a screenshot of where the location would be (at the 'u' symbols):
https://avatar.home.xs4all.nl/crap/bottle_location.png
Oh, I'm by no means a developer...these shoes are too big for me to fit ;-) I just needed to dabble in the dephts a bit to do my translations ;-)

Interesting and very clever idea, Gotcha. The "u" signs are the actual eggs as you will have guessed, so this COULD work. If someone has some time at his hands to try this out, I'd LOVE to hear about the results :-D
Posted March 09, 2021
I meant the original developers. :P Since it's so easy to double-click the bottle once it's visible, waste it, and then basically get stuck permanently, something the original developers should have thought of.

And yes, I know about eggs. ;) Interestingly there are other ways to get stuck in both games, if you know where a certain trigger is and use a destroy trap on it. The egg will basically be removed/broken, and the associated door will cease to function.
Posted March 09, 2021
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Gotcha: I meant the original developers. :P Since it's so easy to double-click the bottle once it's visible, waste it, and then basically get stuck permanently, something the original developers should have thought of.

And yes, I know about eggs. ;) Interestingly there are other ways to get stuck in both games, if you know where a certain trigger is and use a destroy trap on it. The egg will basically be removed/broken, and the associated door will cease to function.
Oops, my bad :´-D Sorry for jumping to conclusions :-) Yeah, the bottle issue is bad, but door issues and most of all other issues are quite comfortably "fixed" using F2+H, if need be ;-)
Posted March 09, 2021
True that!
Posted March 09, 2021
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Sir.John: If you drank the bottle WITHOUT picking it up (if you consumed it while it was still on the ground) the necessary egg is not set and you will need the cheatmode to trigger it manually or reload and play it again

If you picked it up and THEN drank the ale, it is sufficient to get another bottle from Simons shelf prior to talking to him.
Thanks! I didn't pick up the bottle. I drank the bottle while it was on the ground. What is the fix in cheat mode?
Post edited March 09, 2021 by 6502_Workshop
Posted March 09, 2021
Get a replacement bottle, put it on the very spot Gotcha has screenshoted (on the "u"s), and do NOT pick it up BEFORE someone in the group notices the bottle (some companion will utter something about "a bottle")

If this doesn't help, you have not hit the exact spot, then enable Cheatmenu, switch on "egg display" and do it again.
Posted March 10, 2021
Thanks guys!

Taking one of Simon's other battles and placing it on the the spot of the original worked, unlocking a new dialog option with Simon.
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Gotcha: Man, that's quite the developer oversight.
I love analyzing things like this.

I think ideally the devs would have made it so drinking the bottle from the ground triggers the next quest step, but maybe they didn't have that mechanic available when the time came to create the content and they made due with what they had.

I suspect that beta testers didn't catch it because they were familiar with player characters barking out to point out important quest items. I recall that vaguely from Black Gate, but it wasn't imprinted on my memory to the point it was the first thing I thought of vs. thinking ok, can't take Dupre anywhere without him making noise about having a drink :-)
Post edited March 10, 2021 by 6502_Workshop
Posted March 10, 2021
Glad that it worked! :)
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