True but releasing the pc version while the console versions wait for certification wouldn't be an arbitrary reason, the reason would be that the console patch is waiting on certification and will be released as soon as microsoft and Sony allow it.

Yes console players may feel a bit put out but that's the way patching always works on consoles....Not on pc.

It kind of depends for me. The game still crashes for me, and if the patch would fix this they should surely release as soon as possible. On the other hand if it's just for UI, game improvements, etc, I don't see the harm releasing them all at the same time.

I was meaning that the decision itself is arbitrary in terms of pleasing everyone, but probably didn't word that the best. :) But yeah, I agree with what you're saying.

Personally I'd prefer to see the patch on PC appear as soon as it is ready regardless of what people's state of emotions might be and focusing purely on technical feasibility and not some emotional perception of fairness of one camp or the other. Only because I'm not emotionally tied to the decision personally though so long as the patch gets released I'm rather patient. :)

I just want the patch before I finish the game, I will (hopefully) be moving onto arkham knight when I finish this so it would be nice to have some of the good stuff from this like inventory adjustments before I'm done :-)

From what I hear about Arkham Knight - don't worry about TW3 patch timing, you'll have plenty of time while waiting for bugfixes for Arkham Knight. :oP

Yeh, that's why I said hopefully :-) I am one of the lucky ones with that game, when I ran it I was getting constant 30+ (good by that games standards) but I don't want to play it with all the things that are missing from it right now so will hold on until it's sorted.

It was the same for me with Arkham Knight. worked pretty well and had fun playing up to 50 %, but now I think I'll wait for the fixed version.

Yeah, sure consoles do not hold anything, devs simply want to release the patch simultaneously on all platforms. Yet previous patches were released earlier on PC, because there is no certification process (and AFAIK there is no longer paywall for patch from Microsoft). To each his own, but I kinda find their statements and actions openly contradicting each other. Just one chip away from CDPR's "golder aureole" of being good, honest guys. /grin

In the meantime: "while patch is not in game" , starring Roach and Vetala.

First the stupid storage chest and now PC users have to wait for console certification.

Seriously thinking about cancelling my expansion pact orders.

Here's something else to consider... Lets say they do what you would prefer and release it right now and console owners have to wait. You may not care (I know i wont). But console users will find out that PC users got the patch first and they have to wait for it. There may be good valid reasons why they have to wait even, perhaps Microsoft has some process they go through as people have suggested where they certify a patch, or review it not unlike how Mozilla reviews addons uploaded to addons.mozilla.com which cause them to be delayed for a while and out of date by the time they're available.

The console user is not going to care about that process though, at least not all console users. Some of them are going to see it as CD Projekt RED favouring PC gamers at the expense of console gamers and feel like second class citizens almost certainly, whether anyone else thinks it is rational or not.

In the end, there will be console gamers that say things similar to what you're saying in reverse perhaps something like "CD Projekt RED delays console patches versus PC again, I knew I shouldn't have bought the game because they don't care about console owners."

Think about it, there definitely will be people who think that and say that, and some of them may be angry about it enough to cancel their order of the expansion pack for console.

So - how does CD Projekt RED reconcile all of these users in a manner that everyone is simultaneously happy and nobody feels any reason to be upset about anything and instead feels that CD Projekt RED is awesome and is doing everything they can for all of their gamers?

While I phrased that as a question, I'm not intending for it to be answered, but rather as a rhetorical one. The truth of the matter is that there is not really any way to reconcile both problems and have both types of people upset since they want mutually opposing things. In other words, they can not both release the patches on PC and the console at the same time without waiting for Microsoft/Sony's mandatory certification or whatever and simultaneously release the PC patch early.

No matter how you slice it - some customer is going to be upset about it and when you deconstruct it as I just did it doesn't make sense to be angry with them because they are in an unenviable position where it is absolutely impossible to resolve this problem in a way that everyone is universally happy about.

Why be angry about something like this? It's simply not worth it and it ends up painting the company in a negative light over something that is not really a negative thing but rather a choice between one of two situations in which one group or another group of customers are going to have to wait for something.

If anything it illustrates a communication problem on their part. I think it would be better from the company side of things to not communicate this level of detail about their patching process at all because it simply invites people to make judgments about what they are doing right or wrong perhaps without having all of the detailed knowledge of how the processes work and how their hands may or may not be tied. They'd be much better off just doing it and not talking about it, just stating the changelog and not the behind the scenes processes involved. What people don't know about, people can't make assumptions or pass judgments about.

I think they are in a situation where due to sharing information with the public openly and honestly they expose themselves to be judged and criticized negatively despite their own intentions and hard work for everyone.

I for one praise CD Projekt RED for the hard work they're doing on this game, and think they're doing 10 times more than the average game developer usually does with games these days. My thoughts are neither right or wrong, nor trying to change anyone's mind who has formed their own opinion per se, but rather just sharing a different perspective in the hope that others might look at the problem in a new light that they may have not considered before.

I want the patch as bad as anyone, and I'm grateful to them for it whenever it arrives and don't need to know or care about the details of the timeline personally. If only we could convince other companies to follow their way of doing things, other games wouldn't be 1/10th as buggy as they often tend to be. :) Falls into the "First world problems." category for me. :)

+1 skeletonbow, you're probably the voice of reason.

Well there is no Point of not showing them that Console is second class is some Points! We have to live with more Console friendly UI and controles (where we PC Gamer are oviosly second class since there are simply more console Players). So they have to live with those Points were we PC Gamer are first class like, better Graphics (thanks to better Hardware), Moding (thanks to an open Systhem) and not having certification prosess for Patches from MS & Sony (also thanks to an open Systhem)!

For me there is absolutly no excuse or point in holding back a Patch for PC because some Consoleros go crying since that is only the natural outcome of your Systhem choice!

Unfortunately I remember the explanation of CD Projekt about graphics, which is convertible here.
They said that yes, they had lowered graphics to enable the game on consoles, but that without consoles the game as we know it would simply not have been possible.
The fact is that console market is far bigger than PC market. And even if I regret it, I understand CD Projekt here.
They're not going to make angry console players, who represent 75% of their sales (very approximately but that's the idea).

*Grumpy cat face* "I tried to consider things once, that was awful". :p

As it always been with patches 1.03, 1.04, 1.05, and 1.06. Why break the habit? They already installed a tradition where we got patches first, and now, all of a sudden, we've been put aside. Consistency - one of many words unknown to CDPR. No, seriously, did Chris Priestly bit them and infected with biowarismus vulgaris? /grin

But what about us, PC gamers? In raw numbers we represent a solid third of all buyers of Witcher 3 and, unless proved otherwise by CDPR (not yet, though), we represent much bigger share in term of income. How about our feelings? We bought Witcher 1 and made it possible for them to make Witcher 2, we bought it and make it possible to port it to Xbox, and we made third game possible. And that's the treatment we receive after all those years of support? Is word "loyalty" also being stricken out from CDPR vocabulary? Attracting new crowd is important, yeah, but how about NOT alienating your old crowd, those who were with you from day 1? Those few, proud, preorder gamers who not only bravely marches into the unknown, dealing with early bugs, glitches, interface issues, and other stuff, those loyal gamers who without a moment of hesitation bought every game they made and who bought more copies as gifts, just to show that PC gaming and RPG school are not dead? That's what we got? "Equal" treatment with those who never heard of previous games and haven't played them before, people on platform that costs less than a GPU or CPU demanded as mandatory for ultra settings on PC? If you're starting to get into a series, and beginning with third game - you're doing it wrong!

Hmm. Easy. First, if you totally fucked up, make it impossible to play on console before a fucking release date through hardware side, or make it possible to play on other platforms, not just on consoles. If there was a leak - call Mario (they need a plumber, really). Second, get your shit together and stop wiggling your arses to earn yourselves some good rep of honest folk you no longer are, either do as you did from very start and give PC gamers patch earlier, just because this is our advantage, or release patches simultaneously from very fucking start, not a six weeks plus AFTER release and basically 5 patches already.

Why not? It's very good reason to be angry. Much better than many other reasons. :p

You have no idea! Ready, normal people? Err, I mean people can perfectly make assumptions about things they don't know anything of.

Honesty? Where the hell have you been all this time? Giddying Roach up? :p They lied about system requirements, they lied about downgrade (yeah, they spoke, but AFTER release), they announced a fucking season pass before main game being released, right in the middle of then unanswered downgrade-gate, and with terrible, terrible pricing per duration, and now they try to show how just they are and delay patch on PC just because some console gamers could be disappointed by another patch delay, and I have a feeling it will be every fucking time from now on. So you've been asking why be angry about that? *Mister Torgue's voice mode on* THESE ARE PERFECTLY VALID REASONS TO BE ANGRY!!"*Mister Torgue's voice mode off*
/grin

P.S. Why so serious? :p
P.P.S. Geez, man, seriously, thanks for perfect opportunity to write this stuff and laugh a lot while doing so. :D

So now we have to wait for the validation Process of Sony and MS, then it will be released and guess what?
PC Users will find Bugs in theit Version that could have been fixed if they realised the Patch at the time it was ready (in their opinion).

the 3 Systems are very different and only because its 1.07 on all system it is not the same patch!.

Release the PC version now, please!

*should i buy the Xpansion pass or no? roll a dice? decide on CDPR policy on patches? ok, decision made.