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mastorofpuppetz: Come on get real, play Dragon gae and it feels so lifeless by comparison, 2 in particular was such a rush job abd recycled areas it was an insult.
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Cyjack: I see what you did there.
It becomes really Dragon Gae 2 when you do it with Anders....and you were playing a male Hawke. That was just so "gae" ;)
Post edited May 26, 2011 by silvertemplar
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WastedJoker: I enjoyed DA2 but you could hardly say it held up to comparison with Origins. Origins is a modern classic - a true successor to the Baldur's Gate legacy.

DA2 suffered from being made too accessible and pick-up-and-a-playable. That doesn't make it a bad game but it does make you less forgiving of the samey environments and simplified combat system.

Many could say Witcher 2 has done the same in making it more accessible (some will call it being "consolized" but I dislike that term as it has too many negative connotations) but this feels like a full well-developed game with rich environments, strong narrative, combat which has been changed for the better (still requires a little tweaking, imo) and one of the best looking engines we've ever had.

In summary, DA2 and Witcher 2 have been given similar overhauls but Witcher 2 has been made with love and care and most importantly you can understand the direction they wanted to take whilst DA2 was rushed out and felt unfinished.
origins was not that good either, it was nothing like baldurs gate and a bad attempt to create an old school fantasy rpg. After saying that Origins was way better then the garbage that is DA 2.
Dragon Age 2 is really bad,
but im really dissapointed with witcher 2, after the prologue and the first chapter i was like wow it would be the best game ever, after the 2nd chapter which was short and boaring i was like, ok hope the 3rd chapter would be long and interesting, after the 3rd chapter which was ugly and 4 hours long i was really dissapointed.
This game shoud have 5 chapters like the 1st one to be the best rpg ever.
Another thing, after the 1st chapter the game is too easy, im saying it after beating the game in insane mode, there too many imbalanced things
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DartMass: Dragon Age 2 is really bad,
but im really dissapointed with witcher 2, after the prologue and the first chapter i was like wow it would be the best game ever, after the 2nd chapter which was short and boaring i was like, ok hope the 3rd chapter would be long and interesting, after the 3rd chapter which was ugly and 4 hours long i was really dissapointed.
This game shoud have 5 chapters like the 1st one to be the best rpg ever.
Another thing, after the 1st chapter the game is too easy, im saying it after beating the game in insane mode, there too many imbalanced things
Beating it in insane mode, i'm sorry but i think you're probably not the "target" market ;) . There's probably very very few games that will satisfy you considering this game is not exactly known for it's "easiness" .
The bioware forums are a joke, never seen one sensible discussion there. But even most on that forum even agree TW2 is better then DA2, that says something as most on that forum are blind biosheep. You have to be an idiot if you like RPG's and think Da 2 was even in the same league as TW2.
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DartMass: Dragon Age 2 is really bad,
but im really dissapointed with witcher 2, after the prologue and the first chapter i was like wow it would be the best game ever, after the 2nd chapter which was short and boaring i was like, ok hope the 3rd chapter would be long and interesting, after the 3rd chapter which was ugly and 4 hours long i was really dissapointed.
This game shoud have 5 chapters like the 1st one to be the best rpg ever.
Another thing, after the 1st chapter the game is too easy, im saying it after beating the game in insane mode, there too many imbalanced things
Look s like idiots are on this forum as well, not just the bioware forum. Ugly? Yeah sure buddy. Second chapter is as long as the first, and hardly boring, unless you hate RPG's.

typical "Gae is to easy, Im so leet" bragger. is your self esteem that bad? They already took flak for the game being too hard for many, they can only do so much.
Post edited May 26, 2011 by mastorofpuppetz
Genre defining lets hope not, as much as I like this game and hope we get more quality products..the game falls short in many areas because of some of its anticlimatic sidequests and abrupt endings!! Let's not go overboaqrd with our praise, please!!

Sloppy support, faulty web site ( they using a commodore 64 as a web server and the cassett is rewinding??
Alot needs to be worked upon.

My 2 and 1/2 cents worth!!
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anticitizen101: My answer is a simple one:
I've only been disappointed by one of the two games mentioned in the topic, and it wasn't Witcher 2.
And mine is:
I was disappointed by both and more disappointed by TW2. DA2 was uniformly average to crap. TW2 is a mixture of greatness and crapness and the crapness spoilt my enjoyment more than the greatness could make up for.
Dragon Age 2 is a good game. You can find many typical Bioware features in there, like great presentation (cinematics with the game engine, interactions between the party etc.), an interesting story and characters. There were some brilliant quests and hilarious moments, like the character quest of Varric for instance. The ending was epic (I know some didn't like it), it was a breathless rollercoaster with some shocking moments.

The graphical presentation has it moments, too. Some beautiful coast-scenarios, good effects, super-sharp and detailed textures (with the HD texture pack for dx11), good SSAO and even tesselation. Compared to The Witcher 2 of course its very pale. Now that I'm playing the latter it feels like I've been running around in a movie set, with fake facades and statists standing around 24/7.

Dragon Age 2 has one problem, it's short development time. This led to two main gripes:

1.) All the good content I mentioned is "caged" into a narrow prison - one main location - with poorly continuation. The last point is especially dissappointing, since Bioware made such a big fuss about the story happening over the course of many years, so that players could see the city develop. Yeah...some banners changed, some locations where closed down...and that was all. The characters don't change, the city doesn't change...I was so disappointed.

2.) Bad balancing. Medium difficulty often is too easy. It feels like there's no challenge at all for many of the fights. Hard on the other hand can get really really frustrating. I fought the Ancient Wraith down in the Deep Roads for nearly an hour - my party composition was not perfect, I admit, and I hadn't prepared my gear towards high lightning resistances because, well obviously, I didn't know what to expect - and then lost when I almost won. So another hour? I lowered the difficulty to medium and did it within 20 minutes or so. I even felt bad after defeating it, because the challenge was gone almost completely. There were many similar fights during the game.


I really hope they play The Witcher 2 at Bioware (as I'm sure the CD Project Red guys have played Dragon Age 2). I'm sure their faces will turn pale when they realize that, with Dragon Age 2, they set back the whole rpg genre several years. Pre-Dragon-Age-Origins, because this was by far the better game! And The Witcher 2 beats them both hands down.
I can't understand why people are comparing DA2 to TW2 . DA2 is miles from where TW2 stands. It isn't even close to TW1 let alone TW2.

All I seemed to do thorughout DA2 was fight crazy people:
1st there was the crazy serial killer guy, then the crazy dwarf ( brother of story teller) , then crazy elf lady, then a crazy mage, then the crazy fascist qunari SOBs, and finally the crazy templar lady (even Merrill, a party member, was screwed up in the head).
C'mon even the bald evil guy trying to take over the world and the good small town guy trying to stop him makes for a better story.

DA 2 's sole reedeming feature is that it is the sequel one of the best rpgs made in a while.

And that's why I think a comparison b/w DA:O and TW2 makes much more sense (although their approach is quite different) rather comparing crappy piece of trash DA2 is to TW2
Thats a really good point, there were way too many crazy people in DAO, no doubt. The writing just wasnt remotely as deep or interesting as TW2. Of course the graphics and the combat were also much better than DA2's also. I think TW2 was actually the best thing that could've happened to the DA Franchise at this point, as before they could at least try to make excuses for why the game wasn't better, try to say that it was really better than people said it was, etc. But now that TW2 has come out and is so incredibly awesome, it really shows exactly what DA2 could have and should have been in a lot of ways. They can't deny that they need to improve for DA3, they are now forced to man up and do it, and that makes everybody winners, including them really. But especially we the fans, we aren't just winners because TW2 is so awesome, we're winners because DA3 will 'have' to be a lot more awesome than DA2 because they know they're going to be compared to the incredibleness that is TW2. A total win-win!
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johannes1212: Oh come now, don't go all Nazi-like, like they do in Bioware Social forums, let's show them we're the more mature of the bunch by not preventing fine examples of free speech such as this well crafted thread.
Fuk your High horse!! we are normal human beings who prove our humanity and white thrashness with recipocal anti-Bioware rants!! (really EA shitiness). Amen in church!!