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sambrookjm: As for bugs in the original game, I have a note in my *paper* clue book from BT1 (yeah, get off my lawn! :) saying that one of the squares in Mangar LVL 1 was bugged, crashed the game, and to avoid the square. It's 4 squares north and 15 squares east of the entry stairs on Mangar, Level 1. This was for the Apple version.
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jsjrodman: I have tried this square in both the Apple IIe version and IIgs version. Cannot reproduce.

Maybe a media defect?
Quite possibly; I could see a defect affecting the event on one specific square.

Also, there could be multiple versions for the same platform. For example, the version of BT1 included in the 2004 game is actually 1.1, according to the credits room (right across from the Adventurer's Guild).
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OldOldGamer: I can't be bothered with this semantic stuff.
Bisect my previous posts as you find appropriate.

The game is in dev, yet not advertised as such.
Scam practice.
Except for the very fact that in the game description is literally states this:

:The Bard’s Tale Trilogy launches with the first volume in the series. In the fall, The Bard’s Tale II: The Destiny Knight will be added. Finally, late in the year, The Bard’s Tale III: Thief of Fate. Each volume will be added into the collection free of charge!"

also

"The final game content released will be the Legacy Mode, a suite of features which will allow veteran players to experience the games similar to how they first played them, and will be released free of charge for owners when complete."

So you are in fact wrong about it not being advertised properly. So either you didn't even bother to read the description on the store page, or you are trying to lie about this product yourself.
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OldOldGamer: I can't be bothered with this semantic stuff.
Bisect my previous posts as you find appropriate.

The game is in dev, yet not advertised as such.
Scam practice.
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eisberg77: Except for the very fact that in the game description is literally states this:

:The Bard’s Tale Trilogy launches with the first volume in the series. In the fall, The Bard’s Tale II: The Destiny Knight will be added. Finally, late in the year, The Bard’s Tale III: Thief of Fate. Each volume will be added into the collection free of charge!"

also

"The final game content released will be the Legacy Mode, a suite of features which will allow veteran players to experience the games similar to how they first played them, and will be released free of charge for owners when complete."

So you are in fact wrong about it not being advertised properly. So either you didn't even bother to read the description on the store page, or you are trying to lie about this product yourself.
Sure. My bad I missread some info. The thread title say it all.
This is why I m not bothering with a refund.

Blame taken and millions blah blah blah later, as a fact this is an "In Dev" product.
Why not flagging as such?
So, you made a mistake and can't be bothered to own up to it. Right on, dude.
It's not "in dev", it's (at worst) being episodically released.
The patches were minor bug fixes to items and QoL stuff, game is fully playable at version 1.0
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OldOldGamer: LoL
Someone with more games in his account than forum posts is trolling.

Poor creature.
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jsjrodman: As you well know, modern forum definition of trolling seems to include people saying things I don't like.
Then again: "Number of games owned or posts posted has 0 impact on further posts validity or percentage of trolly-ness." Ah well...
Post edited August 24, 2018 by thom_gog
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OldOldGamer: LoL
Someone with more games in his account than forum posts is trolling.

Poor creature.
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jsjrodman: As you well know, modern forum definition of trolling seems to include people saying things I don't like.
Poor creature must be of the entitled snowflake generation.
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OldOldGamer: Can t care less about 12€.
Is the priciple.

The games is not finished: 2/3 contents missing and game system not implemebted nor tested, as should have been fir a final product.

This has been deliberate lie about game status.
It is, as a fact, in development.

Why is not sold as such?
The amount of bugs in the game system is such a way to not make it as intended.

I m a damn paying playtester.
Inxile; soery but you have made a really low punch.
You should have declared this as a Dev game.
GOG, you QA control is less than crap.
Totally your fault, OldGamer...I would suggest new glasses...;) In the GOG game description on the store page it clearly says Volume 2 and Volume 3 come later in the year--no way you could have missed that unless you simply didn't read it. Don't blame GOG for your mistake. Caveat Emptor. You should know better.

BTW, Vol 1 is as stable as a rock--very nice. Having a lot of fun with it. Oh, uh, I read the store description, so unlike you I was neither surprised nor disappointed.
Post edited August 25, 2018 by waltc
Sorry. You missed the point. Agian.
I've already stopped playing the game, and I'll wait for some more needed patches.
Who cares. I can play other games or enjoy some drinks.

The point is other buyers and how the game is being advertised (or not being advertised).
There are "In Development" games that are way more polished and have more planned contents implemented when they reach the GOG store..

This one is not flagged as "In development"?

Is a developer choice to flag a game as such? Is GOG checking if a game is worth the "In Dev" tag or not?
Is GOG looking after their customers?
Would be nice if GOG could provide some official answer on this aspect.


Lack of manual and an healhty patch thrown just day after release, tells a long story.
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OldOldGamer: Sorry. You missed the point. Agian.
I've already stopped playing the game, and I'll wait for some more needed patches.
Who cares. I can play other games or enjoy some drinks.

The point is other buyers and how the game is being advertised (or not being advertised).
There are "In Development" games that are way more polished and have more planned contents implemented when they reach the GOG store..

This one is not flagged as "In development"?

Is a developer choice to flag a game as such? Is GOG checking if a game is worth the "In Dev" tag or not?
Is GOG looking after their customers?
Would be nice if GOG could provide some official answer on this aspect.


Lack of manual and an healhty patch thrown just day after release, tells a long story.
Stop spreading the sh.t please, too much old gamer. Just stop.
The game is a bliss.

Thanks in advance.
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OldOldGamer: Sorry. You missed the point. Agian.
I've already stopped playing the game, and I'll wait for some more needed patches.
Who cares. I can play other games or enjoy some drinks.

The point is other buyers and how the game is being advertised (or not being advertised).
There are "In Development" games that are way more polished and have more planned contents implemented when they reach the GOG store..

This one is not flagged as "In development"?

Is a developer choice to flag a game as such? Is GOG checking if a game is worth the "In Dev" tag or not?
Is GOG looking after their customers?
Would be nice if GOG could provide some official answer on this aspect.


Lack of manual and an healhty patch thrown just day after release, tells a long story.
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Olegg: Stop spreading the sh.t please, too much old gamer. Just stop.
The game is a bliss.

Thanks in advance.
It's reasonable to disagree. However, this response contributes nothing.

OldGamer is not talking about something totally nonsense. The game is not complete, and it does not have a manual. The latter is common these days I suppose, but I still will criticize a game this mechanics-oriented without one.


For the last 4-5 years we've had an evolving set of ideas around early access games, and letting people buy things that aren't finished. Often these are games where the mechanics are still in development, which doesn't exactly fit this particular title (although patches have been retuning how the game mechanics work). I feel like labelling this early access would suggest the game design is in flux, which I think would be misleading.

However, it's certainly far from content complete, and it's not like it's just a game where some things will be expanded at some point. It's titled "Bard's Tale Trilogy", and two of the three just aren't present. I think it's a fair discussion of whether this should be marked in development.

Reacting with only bile doesn't help anything.
I hate to say this but OldGamer does have some valid points. He is both right and wrong about things.

The game is mostly "feature complete" but not completely. For example, hunters need "more critical hit skill the deeper you go" meaning that their critical hit chance is lowered depending on the difficulty level of the dungeon you're in.

If you're not save scumming when leveling your hunter you could very likely wind up with a totally gimped hunter. Especially when reaching later dungeons like Kylearan's tower or Mangar's tower. Considering how much that critical hit % is lowere by the time you get to those areas, your hunter might be gimped anyway.

This "needing more critical hit the deeper you go" is complete writer's embelishment by Krome. It wasn't in the original Bard's Tale. At the least, it certainly wasn't in the PC DOS version of Bard's Tale that I played years ago. Back in the day, once I patiently got my hunter to levels 18-20 he was criting everything and it didn't matter what dungeon I was in.

They recently made it so that paladins gain their extra attacks at a slower rate than warriors. Krome said they did this because it was in the original bard's tale documentation. But, I honestly don't recall this actually being an in-game thing. Back in the day, I frequently did "party attack" and had my warrior and paladin duel just for kicks. The paladin usually won and as best as I can remember the paladin always had just as many attacks as the warrior did.

There are other things. Many other things. Krome has done these things and openly stated that they're watching these changes in case they need to remove them or change them. Things like this are what one would expect to see when playtesting a game in beta. Technically, the game really is in a beta stage.

So it's due to all the above that OldGamer is right. The part OldGamer may be forgetting is that this seems to be the way of things now. The way things are nowadays, if you buy a game right when it comes out then what you're really doing is testing a beta. This can be either good or bad, depending on your opinion.

If this Bard's Tale Trilogy had gotten the same hype that No Man's Sky had gotten, then Bard's Tale Trilogy would've suffered the same debacle that No Man's Sky did when it was first released. Sure, some things would've been different, but it still would've been quite the scene.
Gog seems to have a lot of games without manuals.

Go here:
https://bardstaleonline.com/bt1

Replacementdocs.org is wiped out or something. I get nothing when trying to do anything there.
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Keighn: Replacementdocs.org is wiped out or something. I get nothing when trying to do anything there.
Try .com instead of .org.
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Keighn: Gog seems to have a lot of games without manuals.
True, and while I'm not super happy about that, there are modern games designed to minimize the utility of a manual. Some of them are very successful at it.

This isn't one of those games.

Go here:
https://bardstaleonline.com/bt1

Replacementdocs.org is wiped out or something. I get nothing when trying to do anything there.
The original manual is useful, but because of the various changes it is wrong in some places. The burden of modifying the mechanics incurred by Krome is to document the game with the changes included.
I see this as a simple request to GOG staff.

As alaways they don't give a damn about anything, but would be nice to understand how the "In Development" tag is awarded.

In this case it should have been there.

The lack of manual makes the games not really understandable, as there aren't even online helps or tool tips that explain mchanics.
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OldOldGamer: I see this as a simple request to GOG staff.

As alaways they don't give a damn about anything, but would be nice to understand how the "In Development" tag is awarded.

In this case it should have been there.

The lack of manual makes the games not really understandable, as there aren't even online helps or tool tips that explain mchanics.
Because it is a fully functional game, with the other 2 games coming in the future. This is 3 games, so you get the first game now and you basically pre-ordered the other 2, or you can consider the other 2 as DLC.

Early Access, In development , implies something different, it implies they are still working on the gameplay systems and want feedback from the community to effect the development of the game and those gameplay systems. This shouldn't have "in development" because they are not looking for the same kind of feedback that is expected for an "in development" or early access game.