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Has there been any official announcement whatsoever about how much the EE of System Shock 2 will end up costing?
They said it's going to be free for the people who preordered System ReShock, but there has been no real information on the subject past that.
The original System Shock's EE was given away for free to people who owned the original, and that game was pretty much straight up remade from the ground up to work on newer systems, so since this is a much "lighter" update by comparison (the current digital releases of the game already include NewDark, so the game already has no issues running on modern systems) will it also be free for the original System Shock 2's owners?
Furthermore, have they said anywhere what the standalone price for it will be?

On another note, did we ever figure out who "Le Corbeau" is (the person who is making the NewDark patches)?
It seems kind of bizarre to me that Nightdive just grabbed some anonymously-made binaries off of a random forum and released them without being able to verify the source code (and by extension, it's bizarre that Steam and GOG would allow them), so is there something more to that story? Because it seems very unlikely to me that they took them as-is and pushed them out as an official update.
The upcoming EE appears to be based on the NewDark version of the engine as well, so that would make things even weirder if they really do have no way of auditing it (which I doubt).
I know that the fanmade patch has been tested extensively by the community and is believed to be safe, but it still seems weird to me that they'd just take a gamble on that and push it as an official update, I trust that they have SOME way of verifying them, but what is it exactly?

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To add a bit of context to that latter question, for anyone that is unaware, System Shock 2 and Thief run on an engine called "Dark Engine", which was a very ambitious engine for the time, but has issues when running on modern systems.
Starting in 2012, a user called "Le Corbeau" (literally "The Crow") began posting updated binaries for the game on a French forum dedicated to the Thief series called Ariane4ever, these updated binaries are colloquially known as "NewDark" and feature several improvements such as compatibility with modern systems, an updated renderer, quality of life patches, removal of engine limitations, extensions to the engine's scripting capabilities (for modding) and bugfixes.
These "NewDark" binaries are what the modern digital releases of System Shock 2 are based on, and what it seems that the EE will also be based on, but the bizarre thing is that to this day we have absolutely no idea where they come from or who made them, nor do we have access to the source code to audit them.
There was a theory that they were made by using the partial leaked source code of the unfinished Dreamcast port of System Shock 2, but there has been no real confirmation of this, and it still wouldn't explain who made them or why.
The bizarre part is that Nightdive (the people who made the modern digital releases of System Shock 1 and 2, as well as the amazing remake of the former) seem to trust these binaries, and I was wondering why since there is ostensibly no way to audit them.
Post edited November 22, 2023 by PixelDany
https://steamcommunity.com/app/238210/discussions/0/828938532851567352/

as far as NewDark is concerned, nothing has been confirmed.
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voodoo47: https://steamcommunity.com/app/238210/discussions/0/828938532851567352/

as far as NewDark is concerned, nothing has been confirmed.
Saw the linked post as well as the link about SS2EE in that thread (the one where it says "Everything we currently know about SS2EE can be found here"), but as far as I can tell it doesn't really say anything about the pricing of the game for people who DIDN'T preorder SystemReShock (or whether it will also be free for the owners of the original SS2 like the original game's EE was), it just says what we already knew, that it will be given for free to those who preordered System ReShock.

As for NewDark, I did a bit more digging, it would appear that the EE is NOT going to be using NewDark as a base but rather that it's going to be a reverse engineered Kex version (like Nightdive's other remasters) and that it's going to implement NewDark's features.
It's still bizarre that the current SS2 digital releases bundle it in when Nightdive has ostensibly no way of auditing it, such a weird situation.
the info is there (whoever did not preorder, will have to cough up some coin, unless NDS decide otherwise at some point).

some games on steam use cracks downloaded from pirate websites. a fanmade patch looks pretty innocuous when compared to that.
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voodoo47: some games on steam use cracks downloaded from pirate websites. a fanmade patch looks pretty innocuous when compared to that.
As far as I know, the only high profile case of this was Rockstar doing this for one or two of their games, but Rockstar has always been generally careless about their rereleases so it doesn't surprise me all that much (also, Rockstar did this without telling anyone, while Nightdive is actively saying in the patchnotes that NewDark is being used).
The weird thing here though is that Nightdive actually has some decent standards of quality for their rereleases, so it's very bizarre that they'd just use some random anonymous binaries off of a random French forum.

I'm not saying this is in any way "wrong" to be clear, NewDark is a great update to the engine and I don't see anything inherently wrong with it's inclusion, it's just bizarre that an official release of a game is using some binaries off of a random forum post and nobody questions it.
I assume that Nightdive did SOME auditing, I'm just curious as to how exactly they did this when source code for NewDark is not available.

On a sidenote, it would be really amazing if we got an official open source code release of the Dark engine, but that's probably just a pipedream.
Besides, the original source code is lost to time for all we know, since Nightdive had to reverse engineer System Shock 2 to make the upcoming EE if those forum posts are anything to go by.
GOG has System Shock II EE listing up showing "SOON" as status. But other than that no further news or updates which might include the stand alone price which usually doesn't show up until the game is ready for release in many cases. Look at the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chernobyl for example. It is coming soon, still in Pre-order status and has like 3 stepped versions releasing. All show the price for that edition of the game but it has not had the official day of release set yet. This will most likely apply to System Shock II EE as well.

I myself am chomping at the bit over the release date of SS2EE since I bought the new System Shock Remake while it had the "System Shock II Enhanced Edition will be Free for buyers of the System Shock Remake" This inclusion was an add-on attached to the Remake pre-release. Not only did I buy the Remake, I also, to get the updated version for later PC machines, purchased the System Shock II GOG release. Years ago I was in contact with the original developer of SS2. I collected a LOT of the gamer mods that where out at the time as well. Somewhere around the house I have an external hard drive with a lot of game mods on it that include those SS2 mods. Among them was a high resolution upgrade for the game on later monitors too. A history of sure signs that the game will pursevere for years to come way back then.. Now it shows to be so true doesn't it?

SO.. GOG Team. Any updates for us SS Fans out here?? PLEEZE Post soon!!!!
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LeonDWH: SO.. GOG Team. Any updates for us SS Fans out here?? PLEEZE Post soon!!!!
GOG is the same company that has games announced in 2021 that have yet to have anything show up.
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LeonDWH: SO.. GOG Team. Any updates for us SS Fans out here?? PLEEZE Post soon!!!!
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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: GOG is the same company that has games announced in 2021 that have yet to have anything show up.
You mean like that game that was supposed to outdo the Descent 6 ways of movement games? The one that they said would be included FREE if you bought this one other game? Then that game did not reach release and finally about 2 years or so later was removed from the site? All mentions of it have been gone for a while now.. All that I have seen of it have been the demo version that was released and playable. The full game never was released. A real shame since the graphix where a lot better than even Descent 3. Game physics where identical as far as I was concerned.
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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: GOG is the same company that has games announced in 2021 that have yet to have anything show up.
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LeonDWH: You mean like that game that was supposed to outdo the Descent 6 ways of movement games? The one that they said would be included FREE if you bought this one other game? Then that game did not reach release and finally about 2 years or so later was removed from the site?
I'm curious, which game are you two talking about exactly?
I don't recall ever hearing about this, was it a CDPR game or was it another game on GOG by a third party?
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LeonDWH: You mean like that game that was supposed to outdo the Descent 6 ways of movement games? The one that they said would be included FREE if you bought this one other game? Then that game did not reach release and finally about 2 years or so later was removed from the site?
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PixelDany: I'm curious, which game are you two talking about exactly?
I don't recall ever hearing about this, was it a CDPR game or was it another game on GOG by a third party?
Let me go back to the save file I have that has it in the file. I just saw it the other day while looking for another download I needed to install on my computer after a OS issue.

Once I find it I will post it. I do not remember if it was included "after the fact of purchase of another game" like the Enhanced System Shock 2 is supposed to be given. I think it was going to be a free game for anyone who had any of the other Descent games. Of course it has been years now so we will have to see what I saved when I made the save file of it.

Please be aware. I am not online every day so it may be a few days before I turn up and post the title and any other information here.

Have a good one!