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As I've understood it, Hammer & Sickle is like Silent Storm 3 just a different name. Any chance anyone thinks it will be released soon as well? :-) Watched some vids on youtube and it really looks like it is SS3. Wish it will be released on GOG soon as well!
Well I always wondered why they never made a SS3, well now I know, they changed the game name !
Well as for H&S I can't seem to find a lot of reviews about this game was it good ?
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Orange_doc: Well I always wondered why they never made a SS3, well now I know, they changed the game name !
Well as for H&S I can't seem to find a lot of reviews about this game was it good ?
From what I remember the reviews where far from stellar, I think the game deviated too much from its predecessors. Think gamespot has an old review of it, go check that oiut.
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Orange_doc: Well I always wondered why they never made a SS3
Silent Storm: Sentinels is S3 but you probably meant S4.
H&S is like he rpg version of the strategy game.. Only played a small amount of it... Quite a difficult game (but fun for it). I am useless at holding on to the physical copies of games so if they did release it here, I'm in straight away.
I love Hammer and Sickle. It has an incredibly realistic damage mode (unlike SS..) and you will suffer when playing through it unless you are very cautious. This also goes for 'sticking to the mission' as well...just remember...you are spies, not out to start WW3 ;)

There are two games in this engine that I missed and am still waiting for them to be released here without the DRM; Nightwatch and Daywatch. Anyone know anything about them?
I've also heard very good things from Hammer & Sickle and I'd love to have it on GOG as well.
Hammer & Sickle is a great game despite getting a lot of bad reviews. There were some reviewers that understood the game though. I hope to see GOG release it at some point as I believe it has the same issues SS had after a while.

No, Silent Storm Sentinels is called S3 because of the 3 S's . It is not the third SS game. There were unfortunately only 2. H&S is the spiritual successor using the same engine, but different in quite a few ways.

The main reason H&S got some bad reviews is that the game is extremely challenging. Probably one of the hardest games I've played. You are literally do not have someone hold your hand in this game, basically learning the plot and how to play as you go along. IMO it is very unique in that regard among gaming. Once you get a feel for how to play it, the game is very rewarding.

Nightwatch/Daywatch were also Nival games using this engine, but very different games. I played the demos and really did not get into them. Reception was lukewarm. However, if GOG ever adds them I might buy them

The real sad thing is that SS did not do that well in the US. Gamespot voted it "Best Game No One Played" in their 2004 awards. I think as a result Nival/Jowood did not continue the series, other than sort of with H&S, which actually started as grand mod for SS. Several years ago, the new Jagged Alliance was in development using this engine, but was scrapped do to developer issues and released by a new developer no long ago with a completely different engine. Too bad SS did not get new games with an update to its fantastic engine.
Post edited November 16, 2012 by lymond
Cannot agree enough. It really sucks that no more Silent Storm games were made. Some of my favourite games across the board.
It is in need of some serious voting
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games#search=sickle
Yes, I would very much like to buy this game !!! As and Tin !
Post edited October 09, 2018 by Uzbek2020
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Orange_doc: Well I always wondered why they never made a SS3, well now I know, they changed the game name !
Well as for H&S I can't seem to find a lot of reviews about this game was it good ?
Well, I liked playing it back then :D

However, the game has a time limit, similar to Fallout.
After a certain amount of time, you lose if you don't complete the game. Also, you have multiple endings.
There are no "mercenaries" that you hire like in Silent Storm, you find people through missions and you don't have to have them all. Some are also enemies of each other.
So very varied the game ^^

I still have the original disc, but that's basically useless.
The copy protection of the game does not run on Win10 and therefore you have to crack the game to get it to run on Win10 :/

That is with many old EA games by the way also so! D:
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Orange_doc: Well I always wondered why they never made a SS3
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Kiberkiller: Silent Storm: Sentinels is S3 but you probably meant S4.
Silent Storm Sentinels is actually just an expansion to Silent Storm as far as I know, so not really a part 2 either.
More like Spider Man Miles Morales.
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Remitter: There are two games in this engine that I missed and am still waiting for them to be released here without the DRM; Nightwatch and Daywatch. Anyone know anything about them?
Heard about it for the first time yesterday and I guess these games are considered "abandonware".
Is doubtful whether you will find the games here at some point, on Ebay there is Night Watch for 30€ and Day Watch for 120€ xD
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Remitter: I love Hammer and Sickle. It has an incredibly realistic damage mode (unlike SS..) and you will suffer when playing through it unless you are very cautious. This also goes for 'sticking to the mission' as well...just remember...you are spies, not out to start WW3 ;)

There are two games in this engine that I missed and am still waiting for them to be released here without the DRM; Nightwatch and Daywatch. Anyone know anything about them?
https://www.gamersgate.com/product/day-watch/

GamersGate sells DayWatch, no H&S, no NightWatch though.
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Remitter: I love Hammer and Sickle. It has an incredibly realistic damage mode (unlike SS..) and you will suffer when playing through it unless you are very cautious. This also goes for 'sticking to the mission' as well...just remember...you are spies, not out to start WW3 ;)

There are two games in this engine that I missed and am still waiting for them to be released here without the DRM; Nightwatch and Daywatch. Anyone know anything about them?
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yokun: https://www.gamersgate.com/product/day-watch/

GamersGate sells DayWatch, no H&S, no NightWatch though.
Damn, here's hoping they all come to digital storefronts someday.

I've finished the base game and Sentinels and would love more SIlent Storm.
I will post my "review" here if I may.

It's a flawed game.

Let's start with the difficulty. If you are first playing this game you should know that THE HARD DIFFICULTY IS ESSENTIALLY IMPOSSIBLE. It looks like it wasn't playtested. In Silent Storm Sentinels (SSS) and Silent Storm (SS) there are 3 preset difficulty settings, the "Normal", "Hard" and "Impossible". In Hammer & Sickle (H&S) there are 3 preset difficulty settings, "Easy", "Normal", and "Hard". In terms of the bonuses enemies get (damage, VPs, APs) in H&S the easy difficulty is somewhere between the normal and hard in SSS, the normal difficulty is pretty much identical to the impossible difficulty, and the hard difficulty is a step above the impossible difficulty from SSS. Whereas on the impossible difficulty in SSS enemies get 100% damage, 100% VP, 100% AP and +1 level, on hard difficulty in H&S the enemies get 100% damage, 150% VPs, 150% APs and +2 level. Normal in H&S is already harder than impossible in SSS, but hard is a step above that. I have tried it, and basically to beat it you would need to get the right critical hits (motionless, stun) on all the enemies when you need them, so on some maps the luck required would be extreme. With great difficulty I managed to get to the mission after the convoy, and to beat that one would already require extreme luck. And even if you beat that one the luck required to beat later missions would be so extreme it's essentially impossible.

You can only really have a maximum of 4 characters (including your commander), you can get Sanders, Larry and Fidel. I know you can get Moshe, I did get him once but I don't remember how I did it and it may be the case that you can only get him when you are already on a way to a bad ending and you have agitated the army or the crime boss, which comes with problems of its own such as a chance to get ambushed. There may also be a hammer soldier which you can get if you choose the hammer side in the skirmish between hammer and sentinels, but saving him may be too difficult (at least on normal difficulty). On top of that Sanders, arguably your most important soldier, leaves before the 2 final missions which are some of the hardest (and the final mission might be the hardest), leaving you to beat them with just 3 characters and without a good medic.

Neither Conrad nor Sigmund can repair weapons in shop like you can in SSS despite it being implied that Conrad can, which makes it harder to stick with a single weapon for a long time without replacements (repairing weapons with weapon repair items reduces their maximum durability).

Compared to SSS, H&S introduces item weight. I guess they wanted to make the game more realistic, but given the rather mediocre strength of your characters some items, or combinations of items, are so heavy that you can't really use them without suffering significant AP reduction. For example heavy body armor is so heavy that Larry or Fidel would be able to use it only later in the game and only carrying some lighter gun such as an SMG, and using a machinegun with any kind of body armor is basically impossible without significant AP reduction, unless you take a starting character with high strength. It's appealing to give a machinegun to sanders but she lacks strength. Even if you have a character strong enough to carry a machinegun he won't be able to carry too much ammunition and you may need to make other soldiers carry ammunition for him, which is realistic but it reduces their carry limit. And a rocket launcher is even heavier than a machinegun, and rockets are even heavier than machinegun rounds.

Because of the weight restriction you may want to pick a starting character with high strength, maybe even to make a custom character with very high strength, a grenadier or soldier. It can be good to have a character able to wear heavy body armor and able to take at least some hits, and high strength lends itself to throwing grenades, which can deal a lot of damage.

However, in H&S the chance to get a critical hit was increased, so even if your soldier survives an SMG burst he will often be crippled, with Sanders being the only medic (and worse at it than a true medic due to lack of medic abilities) suffering a critical such as motionless or stun can be a death sentence.

Another change is the health and weapon damage. Unlike in the 2 previous games your VP limit basically doesn't increase as you level up, you can train like +1 VP per a few levels while in SS and SSS the limit increased by quite a few VPs per level. In H&S the character VPs depend entirely on strength, so you can have a level 19 grenadier with 14 strength and 190 VP while in SSS the same character could have over 300 VP. The strength cap rises slowly and each 1 point of strength gives 10 VPs.

On top of that the weapon damage output was increased, especially of the machineguns, so the characters are even easier to kill. The body armor blocks more damage in H&S than in SSS, but it doesn't reduce damage from hits to all body parts and now it has weight. In all Silent Storm games as your characters increase in level they gain abilities, but the enemies don't, and that is the main reason they get stronger compared to enemies. But at the same time the increase in accuracy due to shooting skill increase outpaces the increase in evasion, so later on both your soldiers and the enemies will be more accurate, you can snipe a head across the map but so can they. This means that later on in H&S, especially in the last mission, an enemy rifleman can snipe your character from across the map, hitting him in the head and killing him from full health. In SS and SSS it wasn't such a problem as in H&S because of higher VPs and lower weapon damage. And in H&S machineguns have much higher rate of fire. And you can't get panzerkleins. In SSS you could also use the exploit with VP boosting items where after the effect duration expired the character retained VPs over the maximum, but it doesn't quite work in H&S.

You can't train all the skills the same way as in SSS. A character trains shooting only if he hits the enemy and I haven't figured out a way to train hiding, but you can still train burst by shooting randomly, melee by hitting the ground or evasion by bleeding. Also, the skill penalty for taking damage is much more severe (even if the damage was healed, unless it was healed by the doctor). The addition of meth injection had the potential to be very fun and useful, it provides a way to increase APs. Unfortunately, it gives a very severe penalty to skills rendering it almost useless, unless in specific situations like a high throwing skill full health grenadier using it to run around and throw grenades, as throwing grenades requires lower skill than shooting.

The story has ok moments, but overall could be better and sometimes it can be unclear what are the consequences of an action. The journal entries are also not very descriptive.

One would think that with lower number of characters the missions would have less enemies in them, and in some missions there aren't that many, but in others there is still a lot, especially in the final (not bad ending) mission.

Overall, you are probably going to have more fun with Silent Storm Sentinels, or the original Silent Storm.
Post edited May 29, 2024 by rgi1