Posted August 31, 2017
Curious due to this old subject here gog_quake_pc_not_deemphasized I've taken my old Original Quake CD (US Retail/1996) and checked it with CDDA2WAV, and then I've noticed/confirmed (*1) that the playtime of the tracks where different between my original cd and the gog image:
US RETAIL CD (6-11350-22666-0) [CD Name QUAKE101]
#Cdda2wav version 2.01.01a61_cygwin32_nt_1.5.25-0.156-4-2-_i686_i686, soundcard,
libparanoia support
DATAtrack recorded copy-permitted tracktype
1- 1 uninterrupted no data
AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels
2-11 no no audio 2
Table of Contents: total tracks:11, (total time 71:07.32)
1.[12:09.41], 2.( 5:08.45), 3.( 2:26.01), 4.( 8:20.19), 5.( 6:05.29),
6.( 7:24.44), 7.( 8:38.17), 8.( 5:35.69), 9.( 6:28.69), 10.( 5:15.31),
11.( 3:34.42)
GoGs CUE/BIN Image [CDName Winquake]:
#Cdda2wav version 2.01.01a61_cygwin32_nt_1.5.25-0.156-4-2-_i686_i686, soundcard,
libparanoia support
DATAtrack recorded copy-permitted tracktype
1- 1 uninterrupted no data
AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels
2-11 no no audio 2
Table of Contents: total tracks:11, (total time 72:34.14)
1.[13:22.14], 2.( 5:12.47), 3.( 2:28.02), 4.( 8:22.20), 5.( 6:07.30),
6.( 7:26.45), 7.( 8:40.18), 8.( 5:37.70), 9.( 6:30.70), 10.( 3:34.43),
11.( 5:11.30)
I've extracted the Audiotracks from both (Accurate Rip was fine for the Original CD, except that the AR Database doesn't know about Track 11 (Audiotrack 10)) and compared them in Foobar
Total Audio Length Original CD: 58:58, GoG CUE/BIN: 59:12
The Start from the second audiotrack on my Original CD is at position ~ 5:09/5:10 from GoGs 1st Audiotrack... and from thereon I can continue, the CUE information is simply wrong - though I haven't figured out the difference in overall playtime, but I would guess that it is mostly due to silence.
I can't compare the other two CUE/BINs from GoG, as I do not own the physical medias for them, does anyone can verify that those CUEs are correct or also with bad track infos for the audio part?
[1] : Even if that is not my question - for completeness sake: My Original CD doesn't have the Pre-Emphasis Bit set (Neither in TOC, nor Subchannel Data), neither has the GoG Image if the CUE sheet would be correct in that context (The BIN Format doesn't store Subchannel Data, those Metainfo belongs withing the Cuesheet and there it isn't set). Due to the Audiotracks not beeing identical (Start/End) I haven't ABXed the two, but so far I am not convinced that GoGs Audiotracks needs to be De-Emphasised (And from the brief comparison so far, I doubt that I will change my Opinion on that).
US RETAIL CD (6-11350-22666-0) [CD Name QUAKE101]
#Cdda2wav version 2.01.01a61_cygwin32_nt_1.5.25-0.156-4-2-_i686_i686, soundcard,
libparanoia support
DATAtrack recorded copy-permitted tracktype
1- 1 uninterrupted no data
AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels
2-11 no no audio 2
Table of Contents: total tracks:11, (total time 71:07.32)
1.[12:09.41], 2.( 5:08.45), 3.( 2:26.01), 4.( 8:20.19), 5.( 6:05.29),
6.( 7:24.44), 7.( 8:38.17), 8.( 5:35.69), 9.( 6:28.69), 10.( 5:15.31),
11.( 3:34.42)
GoGs CUE/BIN Image [CDName Winquake]:
#Cdda2wav version 2.01.01a61_cygwin32_nt_1.5.25-0.156-4-2-_i686_i686, soundcard,
libparanoia support
DATAtrack recorded copy-permitted tracktype
1- 1 uninterrupted no data
AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels
2-11 no no audio 2
Table of Contents: total tracks:11, (total time 72:34.14)
1.[13:22.14], 2.( 5:12.47), 3.( 2:28.02), 4.( 8:22.20), 5.( 6:07.30),
6.( 7:26.45), 7.( 8:40.18), 8.( 5:37.70), 9.( 6:30.70), 10.( 3:34.43),
11.( 5:11.30)
I've extracted the Audiotracks from both (Accurate Rip was fine for the Original CD, except that the AR Database doesn't know about Track 11 (Audiotrack 10)) and compared them in Foobar
Total Audio Length Original CD: 58:58, GoG CUE/BIN: 59:12
The Start from the second audiotrack on my Original CD is at position ~ 5:09/5:10 from GoGs 1st Audiotrack... and from thereon I can continue, the CUE information is simply wrong - though I haven't figured out the difference in overall playtime, but I would guess that it is mostly due to silence.
I can't compare the other two CUE/BINs from GoG, as I do not own the physical medias for them, does anyone can verify that those CUEs are correct or also with bad track infos for the audio part?
[1] : Even if that is not my question - for completeness sake: My Original CD doesn't have the Pre-Emphasis Bit set (Neither in TOC, nor Subchannel Data), neither has the GoG Image if the CUE sheet would be correct in that context (The BIN Format doesn't store Subchannel Data, those Metainfo belongs withing the Cuesheet and there it isn't set). Due to the Audiotracks not beeing identical (Start/End) I haven't ABXed the two, but so far I am not convinced that GoGs Audiotracks needs to be De-Emphasised (And from the brief comparison so far, I doubt that I will change my Opinion on that).
Post edited August 31, 2017 by Sha_n_Dra
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