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kilobug: GoG receives a patch from Obsidian. Then, they have to wrap it into their own installer, and to test that on various setup (different OS version, 32-bits/64-bits, ...) to be sure it works fine for users.

And GoG staff, like everyone, don't work much on week-ends, especially on prolonged Eastern week-end.

Doing things well takes time. What in Earth can justify such impatience, such will to always rush things ? How does a few days delay matter ? People really should learn patience...
Not being able to lockpick at all is big enough of a problem from a game that is probably bringing them a lot of money currently through the immense hype attached to it. Therefore, a hotfix for something that is essentially game breaking should be prioritized or at least shed some light on so that people who really do put time aside for the game have some sort of bearing. If it isn't justifying enough for you, it obviously is for a lot of us - and even if it's not released right away, just a word on any kind of ETA on when this hotfix released days ago can be expected would be nice.

It's like reading a book and then having sentences smudged once you've been immersed. This game is about the setting, the story and just that--being immersed. I'm not feeling it anymore, but I was. That's where impatience sets in. If I have to wait for too long, it might just be gone. Obsidian got that part, and did something about it, hence the name 'hotfix'. How many days before hot turns cold for you?

(And yes, espeically over easter when people had the time to play this brutally anticipated game)
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Maquabra: So far Pillars of Eternity was a trying experience for me, not only because of Obsidian's shortcomings. They f-d up, it's simply obvious, however they are patching the game. For some reason, called by Obsidian "quality assurance performed by GOG", we suffer delays.

Why? Do you really think that 2 hours of downloading the game itself wasn't enough? I should be able to download it in ca 5 minutes but it took over 120. Now I need to wait for patches people on Steam have already been enjoying for quite some time. Most of my free time during Easter I had reserved for PoE was wasted because you artificially create delays for patches.

I dread to think what will happen when The Witcher 3 is released...
Read the Obsidian forums: the hotfixes were not delivered to Origin, UPlay and GOG and my guess is that they will send directly the 1.04 patch.

And why the frag everyone assumes that GOG should work on Easter while everyone else doesn't?!
Post edited April 07, 2015 by wolfsrain
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wolfsrain: Read the Obsidian forums: the hotfixes were not delivered to Origin, UPlay and GOG and my guess is that they will send directly the 1.04 patch.
Yes they were:

Obsidian: "This hotfix has been submitted to GOG and Origin, so we hope they will be up in the next day or two."

GOG: "If everything goes well hotfix patch (1.0.3.530) should be available today. Soon :)"
Post edited April 07, 2015 by Hickory
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wolfsrain: Read the Obsidian forums: the hotfixes were not delivered to Origin, UPlay and GOG and my guess is that they will send directly the 1.04 patch.

And why the frag everyone assumes that GOG should work on Easter while everyone else doesn't?!
Nah, one forum is enough for me, the gossips come to this and is enough :P

Now, seriously, a full Patch 1.04 for Gog that has the patch's hotfix and the hotfix's hotfix will be better for everyone, more because otherwise will be 3 separated "patches" to execue QA by Gog.
Now, I hope Obsidian truly work hard and give said patch tomorrow, for Gog (and the others) have thursday and Friday for getting the patch avaliable, avoiding another weekend chaos.
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wolfsrain: Read the Obsidian forums: the hotfixes were not delivered to Origin, UPlay and GOG and my guess is that they will send directly the 1.04 patch.
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Hickory: Yes they were:

Obsidian: "This hotfix has been submitted to GOG and Origin, so we hope they will be up in the next day or two."

GOG: "If everything goes well hotfix patch (1.0.3.530) should be available today. Soon :)"
So they've sent the second hotfix outside the working hours at GOG. Funny. But, seriously peeps, why the frag do you want hotfix after hotfix and rushed patch after rushed patch instead of a solid, tested patch?!
Post edited April 07, 2015 by wolfsrain
People's lack of patience nowadays amaze me a lot.

Steam auto-patch system makes people really lazy and impatient. It should have been a nightmare for them in the old days when we have to patch manually the game.
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wolfsrain: But, seriously peeps, why the frag do you want hotfix after hotfix and rushed patch after rushed patch instead of a solid, tested patch?!
Not me. I can wait. :)
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wolfsrain: why the frag do you want hotfix after hotfix and rushed patch after rushed patch instead of a solid, tested patch?!
You do understand that this is not what GOG does, right? GOG only checks if their installer works. It has nothing to do with the game. They don't have staff there that plays all of these games for hours to see if everything in a patches release notes is actually fixed... The mere thought is ridiculous.

Even if they were (which they are not), developers wouldn't change patches/make extra patches just for GOG. So it would even be pointless.
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wolfsrain: why the frag do you want hotfix after hotfix and rushed patch after rushed patch instead of a solid, tested patch?!
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Santiago: You do understand that this is not what GOG does, right? GOG only checks if their installer works. It has nothing to do with the game. They don't have staff there that plays all of these games for hours to see if everything in a patches release notes is actually fixed... The mere thought is ridiculous.

Even if they were (which they are not), developers wouldn't change patches/make extra patches just for GOG. So it would even be pointless.
Missed my point. I was pointing towards the impatience of some people. They seem to prefer getting a rushed, not thouroughly tested from the dev instead of waiting for a tested patch, that would actually solved the problems without introducing new ones. Obsidian rushed 1.03 and the results surfaced quickly. If i were the Q&A from GOG, i would probably wait for a stable patch, instead of releasing a broken patch and a broken hotfix. But the hype generation can be bothered by logic or to wait for more polish. No, they want things now and here and damn the fact that behind a company are also people, just like them. It's a master/slave mentality, result of the modern corporatist slavery.
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Santiago: You do understand that this is not what GOG does, right? GOG only checks if their installer works. It has nothing to do with the game. They don't have staff there that plays all of these games for hours to see if everything in a patches release notes is actually fixed... The mere thought is ridiculous.

Even if they were (which they are not), developers wouldn't change patches/make extra patches just for GOG. So it would even be pointless.
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wolfsrain: Missed my point. I was pointing towards the impatience of some people. They seem to prefer getting a rushed, not thouroughly tested from the dev instead of waiting for a tested patch, that would actually solved the problems without introducing new ones. Obsidian rushed 1.03 and the results surfaced quickly. If i were the Q&A from GOG, i would probably wait for a stable patch, instead of releasing a broken patch and a broken hotfix. But the hype generation can be bothered by logic or to wait for more polish. No, they want things now and here and damn the fact that behind a company are also people, just like them. It's a master/slave mentality, result of the modern corporatist slavery.
One of the best forms of Q&A is getting your product into a wider demographic, so there's more testing on more individual setups.

1.03 was "rushed" because there were literally game-breaking/stopping issues discovered in the game itself once it was being used by a wider audience. Obsidian had done their own internal Q&A for months now – and certainly fixed hundreds of such issues – but they didn't detect them all.

No patch is ever going to be perfect, but with everyone working together to do Q&A it can definitely become better, faster.
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wolfsrain: Missed my point. I was pointing towards the impatience of some people. They seem to prefer getting a rushed, not thouroughly tested from the dev instead of waiting for a tested patch, that would actually solved the problems without introducing new ones.
I didn't, you missed mine actually. You somehow seem to believe that this mysterious GOG testing process has anything to do with a patch's actual contents. It doesn't, no - it cannot. For the reasons already mentioned.
Is it okay to wonder why creating an installer from submitted files and testing said installer takes so long? Yes. It's maybe even our duty to do so.
Should people be nicer to GOG staff? Yes, absolutely. Should people be more patient with GOG staff? Maybe. But that's already another story.
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wolfsrain: Missed my point. I was pointing towards the impatience of some people. They seem to prefer getting a rushed, not thouroughly tested from the dev instead of waiting for a tested patch, that would actually solved the problems without introducing new ones.
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Santiago: I didn't, you missed mine actually. You somehow seem to believe that this mysterious GOG testing process has anything to do with a patch's actual contents. It doesn't, no - it cannot. For the reasons already mentioned.
Is it okay to wonder why creating an installer from submitted files and testing said installer takes so long? Yes. It's maybe even our duty to do so.
Should people be nicer to GOG staff? Yes, absolutely. Should people be more patient with GOG staff? Maybe. But that's already another story.
I'm fully aware that GOG tests only the installer. My initial reference is for Obsidian. If i wasn't clear, i hope that clears it.

My beef with Obsidian is that they bow to the bullies, instead of focusing on delivering a patch. They have a Q&A department, let them do thier job. As i recall, we as customers weren't paid for doing Q&A, they are the ones paid to do that. If you like to pay for being a beta-tester, well plenty of early-access games on Steam. Seeing how people react (zomg, no one gave us NOW the patch, or wtf, we'll test the damn thing)...my expectations for a polished product in the nearby future dropped considerably.

As I've mentioned in other posts: Shadowrun games took around a year to end up into a near perfect product. But again, the patching process was not rushed. Wasteland 2, it's not fully patched even now, but it's getting there. Divinity: Original Sin took their sweet times and Larian still considers that there are a lot of problems to solve (and D:OS was far more playable at launch than PoE). PoE will get where those games are, but give it time.
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Lord_Britania: People's lack of patience nowadays amaze me a lot.

Steam auto-patch system makes people really lazy and impatient. It should have been a nightmare for them in the old days when we have to patch manually the game.
The way it was handled in the old days was even faster than steam auto-patching. The design decisions that broke the old system (old system as in: obsidian would release a patch and I could apply it myself without Gog in the middle) were bad decisions. And steam is even worse in that regard.
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wolfsrain: My beef with Obsidian is that they bow to the bullies, instead of focusing on delivering a patch. They have a Q&A department, let them do thier job. As i recall, we as customers weren't paid for doing Q&A, they are the ones paid to do that.
I disagree somewhat. I usually think it is, above anything, NICE of a dev to bring fixes to the players as fast as they can. Of course a patch would be much bigger and better if they just didn't release anything for 2 months before the first patch, but that would be too long for everyone. Games sell the most when they are brand new and when there are bugs (usually are), then at least you want it to be known amongst players that those are addressed by the devs.
I think Obsidian is handling it well. The first patch already had much more fixes than I would have expected them to roll out in such a short amount of time.