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So my question is in regards to reputation and killing peaceful pirates, bandits and other types that you would otherwise be attacked by...I've found some places where I just outright killed them in the city without consequence or is there a reputation consequence?

I do, however, understand that attacking people in general causes a mixed rep.
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Artack: So my question is in regards to reputation and killing peaceful pirates, bandits and other types that you would otherwise be attacked by...I've found some places where I just outright killed them in the city without consequence or is there a reputation consequence?

I do, however, understand that attacking people in general causes a mixed rep.
As there are multiple factions will be relative to who you kill and where. Probably as rule geranl if you kill people in the Defiance Bay the knights will have negative impact and probably Defiance Bay in general.
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Artack: So my question is in regards to reputation and killing peaceful pirates, bandits and other types that you would otherwise be attacked by...I've found some places where I just outright killed them in the city without consequence or is there a reputation consequence?

I do, however, understand that attacking people in general causes a mixed rep.
The answer would be: It depends. There are NPCs you can kill without any consequences (backer NPCs for instance, the ones with the yellowish name plates) just as long as nobody sees you, and there are NPCs where killing them makes you lose reputation with one faction and gain it with another (a very obvious example occurs in Twin Elms).

As a general rule of thumb you can assume that killing NPCs belonging to a faction will make you lose reputation with that faction, but even then there are exceptions, like a certain patrol near Lle a Rhemen that you can and have to kill while on a certain quest that nets no reputation loss for you.

When in doubt quicksave and kill them, then check the result. If you don't like it, reload.
Post edited April 21, 2015 by ghosterl
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Artack: So my question is in regards to reputation and killing peaceful pirates, bandits and other types that you would otherwise be attacked by...I've found some places where I just outright killed them in the city without consequence or is there a reputation consequence?

I do, however, understand that attacking people in general causes a mixed rep.
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ghosterl: The answer would be: It depends. There are NPCs you can kill without any consequences (backer NPCs for instance, the ones with the yellowish name plates) just as long as nobody sees you, and there are NPCs where killing them makes you lose reputation with one faction and gain it with another (a very obvious example occurs in Twin Elms).

As a general rule of thumb you can assume that killing NPCs belonging to a faction will make you lose reputation with that faction, but even then there are exceptions, like a certain patrol near Lle a Rhemen that you can and have to kill while on a certain quest that nets no reputation loss for you.

When in doubt quicksave and kill them, then check the result. If you don't like it, reload.
Funny you say that, I was thinking of making a thread regarding the killing of backer npc's.

Have you killed many? I had a thought that maybe the devs slipped some powerful unique weapons in certain backer npc inventories .... if they did, we likely wouldn't find out for a long time - I mean, who goes around killing inconsequential townsfolk?
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ghosterl: The answer would be: It depends. There are NPCs you can kill without any consequences (backer NPCs for instance, the ones with the yellowish name plates) just as long as nobody sees you, and there are NPCs where killing them makes you lose reputation with one faction and gain it with another (a very obvious example occurs in Twin Elms).

As a general rule of thumb you can assume that killing NPCs belonging to a faction will make you lose reputation with that faction, but even then there are exceptions, like a certain patrol near Lle a Rhemen that you can and have to kill while on a certain quest that nets no reputation loss for you.

When in doubt quicksave and kill them, then check the result. If you don't like it, reload.
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kmh12177: Funny you say that, I was thinking of making a thread regarding the killing of backer npc's.

Have you killed many? I had a thought that maybe the devs slipped some powerful unique weapons in certain backer npc inventories .... if they did, we likely wouldn't find out for a long time - I mean, who goes around killing inconsequential townsfolk?
LOL I do depending on how 'my soul' is moved by reading theirs. So far I've noticed it's fine to kill some in areas unseen, but others in plain sight of other citizens will attack...which is weird considering no one comes to my aid when assassins jump me right next to them while they continue their conversation.
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Artack: So my question is in regards to reputation and killing peaceful pirates, bandits and other types that you would otherwise be attacked by...I've found some places where I just outright killed them in the city without consequence or is there a reputation consequence?

I do, however, understand that attacking people in general causes a mixed rep.
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ghosterl: The answer would be: It depends. There are NPCs you can kill without any consequences (backer NPCs for instance, the ones with the yellowish name plates) just as long as nobody sees you, and there are NPCs where killing them makes you lose reputation with one faction and gain it with another (a very obvious example occurs in Twin Elms).

As a general rule of thumb you can assume that killing NPCs belonging to a faction will make you lose reputation with that faction, but even then there are exceptions, like a certain patrol near Lle a Rhemen that you can and have to kill while on a certain quest that nets no reputation loss for you.

When in doubt quicksave and kill them, then check the result. If you don't like it, reload.
Too late to reload...I screwed up and kill a certain pirate in the Charred Barrel related to a quest down the line. LOL I gotta live with the consequences...
Post edited April 21, 2015 by Artack
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kmh12177: Funny you say that, I was thinking of making a thread regarding the killing of backer npc's.

Have you killed many? I had a thought that maybe the devs slipped some powerful unique weapons in certain backer npc inventories .... if they did, we likely wouldn't find out for a long time - I mean, who goes around killing inconsequential townsfolk?
No, I haven't killed many, just a bunch once who caught me stealing, which also is something uneven. Some NPCs don't give a damn if you take everything and others do. I have no idea if there are any super unique secret weapons hiden in some backer NPC.
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Artack: Too late to reload...I screwed up and kill a certain pirate in the Charred Barrel related to a quest down the line. LOL I gotta live with the consequences...
That would mess with the peaceful solution to a quest you can get later, if you haven't already found it. Don't worry, you'll just have to fight a banshee and a truckload of shadows instead of talking them down. ;)
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Artack: ...which is weird considering no one comes to my aid when assassins jump me right next to them while they continue their conversation.
I had a friendly NPC (a courtesan I helped out in an earlier quest) help me fight the assassins in the street once. The tricky part of the fight was keeping her alive (since she was labelled as "enemy, easy to kill", 4 of the 6 assassins ignored me and rushed her at the start of the fight, and she died 3-4 seconds later. I had to reload the fight 4 times to get her out of the fight alive)
Artack and Ghosterl,

Since you have both killed backer npc's, I'm curious ..... after killing them, are they even lootable (have an inventory)? Or are they just dead with no loot icon on their bodies?


If I was involved in the development of the game, I definitely would have thought to have some very hard to find secrets in it (like a backer npc who carries possibly the games strongest version of a certain weapon or armor, that can only be obtained by looting their dead body), so that not everything about the game could be found out in a short period of time .....


Probably just wishful thinking on my part - but it would be pretty awesome to come across a secret like that ;)
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kmh12177: Probably just wishful thinking on my part - but it would be pretty awesome to come across a secret like that ;)
Every kith NPC you kill drops some loot, even if it is just clothing and 5 copper pands. Every now and then it is a fine armor and some weaponry and a couple of silver fennigs but I never found anything truly useful, but I didn't go on a killing spree so maybe something is hidden, but I don't know.
I think it would be strange if Obsidian built a special reason for people to kill all the backer NPCs.