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I can't seem to find any sites with builds. A few discussions but they are usually just people argueing about whether Dex is important. I'm having a real hard time (normal difficulty). Also do the companions suck or am I just that bad?
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broartwar: I can't seem to find any sites with builds. A few discussions but they are usually just people argueing about whether Dex is important. I'm having a real hard time (normal difficulty). Also do the companions suck or am I just that bad?
There is a youtube channel that deals with builds, Nerd commando i think , with his explanation of each feat, I learned quite alot.
There is a synergy for builds, what feat to get, what your Player character is, and who will complement your character are all pretty important.
I have restarted multiple times because I kept finding new things that Improves my game play. So don't fret , also what I said Feats are important, its because some classes have limited numbers, and you must have prerequistes to get others, so its always best to have a general build in mind before you start, especially your companions as well. Unless you want to go in at it blind.
So good luck
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broartwar: I can't seem to find any sites with builds. A few discussions but they are usually just people argueing about whether Dex is important. I'm having a real hard time (normal difficulty). Also do the companions suck or am I just that bad?
InEffect's guide shameless plug. look up at least 2 pages before saying there is no such thing :P
Post edited October 19, 2018 by InEffect
thanks for the replies.

Though I never said there is no such thing. I said I'm having trouble finding them. I googled and checked 2 pages on gog... didnt see it whoops
Hey InEffect what do you think of a rogue, eventually an Arcane trickster, dex based that specializes in using 2h elven curved blade? Doing pretty well so far just wondering if it will be gimped in late levels?
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Nilok7: Hey InEffect what do you think of a rogue, eventually an Arcane trickster, dex based that specializes in using 2h elven curved blade? Doing pretty well so far just wondering if it will be gimped in late levels?
rogue will be pretty gimped, yea. there are several problems with what you are doing.
1) there are quite a lot of things that are plain immune to sneak-attacks
2) rogues have shitty BAB progression, so you will have trouble hitting things before too long
3) sneak attack benefits greatly from number of attacks you do. 2-handers are meh at that too.

now what can be done about it. first of all I would abandon hope on AC (you will never have good enough AC to tank things with rogue) and went invulnerable rager8/rogue12 and spent 2 feats on damage reduction rage power. now if you really want to be one of the tanks then you can pick up bite along the way. if not - use enlarge person and stay away from the bite rage power as it doesn't get reach with enlarge and it will force you into melee.
you will take opportunist from rogue, combat reflexes, seize the moment to compensate for your low base attack number. reckless stance from barb will also fix your AB loss from rogue. basic rogue talents are useless, so use those as a ramp with combat tricks to get all you need asap. also take power attack(never turn that thing on - just have it), cleave, cleaving finish(if you have 13 str or more).

also curved blades are pretty rare - you will likely suffer in that department till you get to the tournament where every weapon is sold at +4 or better. maybe one of the masters makes those if you order 2-haneded blade - not sure.

even better option would be mad dog16/thug4 as you would trade sneak attack for useful things like OP smilodon that would proc free attacks for you when it trips things. but it's not exactly rogue
Post edited October 19, 2018 by InEffect
Never had any ideas about tanking, just stabbing people in the back of the head when others are tanking. I had no idea there was a lot of mobs immune to sneak attack! Much less quite a few that really is sad to hear. Appreciate the advice may just try invulnerable rager path you laid out.
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Nilok7: Never had any ideas about tanking, just stabbing people in the back of the head when others are tanking. I had no idea there was a lot of mobs immune to sneak attack! Much less quite a few that really is sad to hear. Appreciate the advice may just try invulnerable rager path you laid out.
oh I forgot to say: in case you didn't read my guide - you should take outflank on literally everything that uses melee weapons.
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InEffect: oh I forgot to say: in case you didn't read my guide - you should take outflank on literally everything that uses melee weapons.
Hell yeah!
And about sneak attack - it does god damage but it needs to hit to work and with low BAB in this game it is hard to hit anything. Also that is true that a lot of things are immune to SA, undead for example.
As a Rogue player I can say one thing: It's freaking amazing.

At Level 15: Rogue Lvl 10 / Duelist Lvl 5

With Piranha Strike (+50% Damage) I have 21 attack and hit most of the time, almost all hits are sneak or critical, and I inflict roughly 100 Dmg per hit thanks to these acid gloves (their damage also multiplies). And since I hit up to three times or more in a Round (Attack of Opportunity) it gets it done.

The beginning is tough, but i got "Heart of Ira" at Lvl 5 and skilled sneak, so i could easily kill mobs and bosses throughout the game. Now it's just run to someone, stab, killl, next please.

And my AC is at 33 or so, most opponents don't hit me most of the time, though.
Toughest thing are bosses right after cutscene or when invisibillity cuts off. A potion will fix that, too.

5/7, do recommend
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TheBadRandolph: As a Rogue player I can say one thing: It's freaking amazing.

At Level 15: Rogue Lvl 10 / Duelist Lvl 5

With Piranha Strike (+50% Damage) I have 21 attack and hit most of the time, almost all hits are sneak or critical, and I inflict roughly 100 Dmg per hit thanks to these acid gloves (their damage also multiplies). And since I hit up to three times or more in a Round (Attack of Opportunity) it gets it done.

The beginning is tough, but i got "Heart of Ira" at Lvl 5 and skilled sneak, so i could easily kill mobs and bosses throughout the game. Now it's just run to someone, stab, killl, next please.

And my AC is at 33 or so, most opponents don't hit me most of the time, though.
Toughest thing are bosses right after cutscene or when invisibillity cuts off. A potion will fix that, too.

5/7, do recommend
from the sound of it you play on low difficulty. 21 ab will not hit most enemies and anything below 40-ish ac is the same as having no AC at all. actually anybody that gets hit at anything but 20s dies pretty damn fast.
Post edited October 19, 2018 by InEffect
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broartwar: I'm having a real hard time (normal difficulty). Also do the companions suck or am I just that bad?
Try to think how you can adjust your strategy. There's a fight in Jaethal's quest (no spoilers) that was pretty hard for me. I changed my tactics by assign certain party members to different enemies, and the fight was a breeze. Nothing else changed from my first few attempts; same gear, same spells, same potions. Not a single party member was down or out.
Post edited October 19, 2018 by jsidhu762
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TheBadRandolph: As a Rogue player I can say one thing: It's freaking amazing.

At Level 15: Rogue Lvl 10 / Duelist Lvl 5

With Piranha Strike (+50% Damage) I have 21 attack and hit most of the time, almost all hits are sneak or critical, and I inflict roughly 100 Dmg per hit thanks to these acid gloves (their damage also multiplies). And since I hit up to three times or more in a Round (Attack of Opportunity) it gets it done.

The beginning is tough, but i got "Heart of Ira" at Lvl 5 and skilled sneak, so i could easily kill mobs and bosses throughout the game. Now it's just run to someone, stab, killl, next please.

And my AC is at 33 or so, most opponents don't hit me most of the time, though.
Toughest thing are bosses right after cutscene or when invisibillity cuts off. A potion will fix that, too.

5/7, do recommend
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InEffect: from the sound of it you play on low difficulty. 21 ab will not hit most enemies and anything below 40-ish ac is the same as having no AC at all. actually anybody that gets hit at anything but 20s dies pretty damn fast.
Individual difficulty, with normal criticals, normal enemy resistances and normal damage assigned to my party. I travel alone mostly though, besides Jaethal everybody needs rests, that takes too much time ;) But if I do travel with companions and they die they rise after combat, hence individual difficulty! It's fun

*Edit* loaded the last save I'm able to and posted pictures
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Post edited October 19, 2018 by TheBadRandolph
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TheBadRandolph: Individual difficulty, with normal criticals, normal enemy resistances and normal damage assigned to my party. I travel alone mostly though, besides Jaethal everybody needs rests, that takes too much time ;) But if I do travel with companions and they die they rise after combat, hence individual difficulty! It's fun

*Edit* loaded the last save I'm able to and posted pictures
yeah everything on normal pretty much. might be ok-ish. still don't think you can hit boss things that have 45ac+ with any degree of success and they would get you every hit pretty much. I never played on normal though. my 1st one was on challenging and now I'm going on hard while I wait for endgame fixes. so normal AC/AB might be just this much lower.
Post edited October 19, 2018 by InEffect
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TheBadRandolph: Individual difficulty, with normal criticals, normal enemy resistances and normal damage assigned to my party. I travel alone mostly though, besides Jaethal everybody needs rests, that takes too much time ;) But if I do travel with companions and they die they rise after combat, hence individual difficulty! It's fun

*Edit* loaded the last save I'm able to and posted pictures
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InEffect: yeah everything on normal pretty much. might be ok-ish. still don't think you can hit boss things that have 45ac+ with any degree of success and they would get you every hit pretty much
Propably... and when that happens I go sneaky, activate Heart of Ira, get meself a good ol' cup of coffee and wait ...

I'm a bit pragmatic since I lost my first game as a Sorcerer after 60 hours because I missed a Trigger while crwaling in a Dungeon (Bloom), so that's why...