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On NWN2 Thinking of playing a swashbuckler 10 / duelist 10 original campaign.

I created a character and leveled them to 20 using the console to test what skills / feats I could get and am about to restart to play from level 1.

For the level 20 character, on the character page I've noticed that my standard rapier(no bonuses and 1d6 damage) damage(nothing in off hand) will change everytime I unequip and re-equip the rapier. I've seen it change from 1d6+8 to 1d6+19. Does anyone know what causes this?

My character at L20

Sun Elf

Str 12
Dex 16
Con 12
Int 21
Wis 8
Cha 10

Feats
1) Able learner.
3) Dodge.
6) Improved Parry.
9) Weapon Focus rapier.
12) Combat Expertise.
15) Feignt.
18) Disarm.

Not sure if it made a difference but I leveled swashbuckler to 8, then 10 levels of duelist then 2 more levels of swashbuckler.

If anyone can explain why the bonus rapier damage changes from between +8 and +19 I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.
This question / problem has been solved by Engerek01image
It is probably because of the extra attacks. I remember this was one of the "display" bugs but I am not sure. You know on high levels you get extra attacks with lower attack bonus. And when you equip and unequip, sometimes the game sees it as one action and moves on to the 2nd bonus.

I maybe wrong but I think you can see it yourself.
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Engerek01: It is probably because of the extra attacks. I remember this was one of the "display" bugs but I am not sure. You know on high levels you get extra attacks with lower attack bonus. And when you equip and unequip, sometimes the game sees it as one action and moves on to the 2nd bonus.

I maybe wrong but I think you can see it yourself.
Thanks for the response. Not seeing any issues with the attack bonus line, seems to display OK when I've checked it and when buffed by bards attack bonus inspiration etc.... Just the damage line that changes.

Did some more testing and issue occurs after taking duelist level 5 and getting precise strike. I think it may be adding the 1d6 damage from precise strike to the damage bonus as a number(random d6 roll) instead of listing it as 1d6.
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VipsterGOG: Thanks for the response. Not seeing any issues with the attack bonus line, seems to display OK when I've checked it and when buffed by bards attack bonus inspiration etc.... Just the damage line that changes.

Did some more testing and issue occurs after taking duelist level 5 and getting precise strike. I think it may be adding the 1d6 damage from precise strike to the damage bonus as a number(random d6 roll) instead of listing it as 1d6.
Ah, I am so sorry, I read it wrong. I thought you were talking about the Attack bonus.

Hmm. In NWN2, when you use a 1-Hand Weapon without a shield (or dual-wield), your character equips it with 2 hands to benefit more from the STR bonus. I believe the bonus is 1.5 times the STR this way. If you use a shield or dual wield, you only receive the normal STR bonus.

Maybe this has something to do with that?
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VipsterGOG: Thanks for the response. Not seeing any issues with the attack bonus line, seems to display OK when I've checked it and when buffed by bards attack bonus inspiration etc.... Just the damage line that changes.

Did some more testing and issue occurs after taking duelist level 5 and getting precise strike. I think it may be adding the 1d6 damage from precise strike to the damage bonus as a number(random d6 roll) instead of listing it as 1d6.
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Engerek01: Ah, I am so sorry, I read it wrong. I thought you were talking about the Attack bonus.

Hmm. In NWN2, when you use a 1-Hand Weapon without a shield (or dual-wield), your character equips it with 2 hands to benefit more from the STR bonus. I believe the bonus is 1.5 times the STR this way. If you use a shield or dual wield, you only receive the normal STR bonus.

Maybe this has something to do with that?
No worries, no need to apologise. I'm just glad someone responded :)

I don't think it is the 1.5 str bonus, my character started with Str 12 and I never boosted Str with equipment or at level up. Just retested and with just a str bonus of just +1 I don't see any change in damage for 1.5 str bonus which I think is correct. Also the +1 str bonus from 12 str wouldn't account for the difference in bonus from +8 to +19 on unequip / re-equip rapier.

With Khelgar I am seeing the 1.5 Str bonus applied correctly when wielding just a medium weapon(other than a rapier) with nothing in the offhand. For Khelgar, with a rapier the 1.5 str bonus is not applied with nothing in the offhand.
Maybe because a rapier can be used with weapon finesse despite being a medium weapon.

I've also found the power attack feat's +3 damage does not get applied (although you do take the -3 to hit) with a rapier (wearing duelist garb from Deekin which gives the power attack feat). Monitored the combat log (whilst Swashbuckler L7 Duelist L2 at Eyegouger Lair) and with power attack activated I was doing less then the minimum damage if the +3 damage from power attack was applied.

Just retested giving myself levels using the console. I've confirmed again the issue with damage bonus changing on saber unequip / re-equip only happens after taking duelist 5 (which give the precise strike feat). I think it's something to do with that.
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VipsterGOG: No worries, no need to apologise. I'm just glad someone responded :)

I don't think it is the 1.5 str bonus, my character started with Str 12 and I never boosted Str with equipment or at level up. Just retested and with just a str bonus of just +1 I don't see any change in damage for 1.5 str bonus which I think is correct. Also the +1 str bonus from 12 str wouldn't account for the difference in bonus from +8 to +19 on unequip / re-equip rapier.

With Khelgar I am seeing the 1.5 Str bonus applied correctly when wielding just a medium weapon(other than a rapier) with nothing in the offhand. For Khelgar, with a rapier the 1.5 str bonus is not applied with nothing in the offhand.
Maybe because a rapier can be used with weapon finesse despite being a medium weapon.

I've also found the power attack feat's +3 damage does not get applied (although you do take the -3 to hit) with a rapier (wearing duelist garb from Deekin which gives the power attack feat). Monitored the combat log (whilst Swashbuckler L7 Duelist L2 at Eyegouger Lair) and with power attack activated I was doing less then the minimum damage if the +3 damage from power attack was applied.

Just retested giving myself levels using the console. I've confirmed again the issue with damage bonus changing on saber unequip / re-equip only happens after taking duelist 5 (which give the precise strike feat). I think it's something to do with that.
You may be onto something here. Maybe NWN2WİKİ may help?

https://nwn2.fandom.com/wiki/Precise_strike


EDIT: I created the same character on NWN2. You were correct on your assumption.

First, Rapier benefits from both Finesse and Precise Strike despite being a medium weapon but that's not the problem here.

The problem is the D6 bonus that comes with the Precise Strike. Everytime you equip it, the game doesn't know how to show it so it takes the dice instead and rolls a D6.

At level 10, this becomes D12. That's why we can see 12 different bonus damage.
Post edited October 23, 2019 by Engerek01
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VipsterGOG: No worries, no need to apologise. I'm just glad someone responded :)

I don't think it is the 1.5 str bonus, my character started with Str 12 and I never boosted Str with equipment or at level up. Just retested and with just a str bonus of just +1 I don't see any change in damage for 1.5 str bonus which I think is correct. Also the +1 str bonus from 12 str wouldn't account for the difference in bonus from +8 to +19 on unequip / re-equip rapier.

With Khelgar I am seeing the 1.5 Str bonus applied correctly when wielding just a medium weapon(other than a rapier) with nothing in the offhand. For Khelgar, with a rapier the 1.5 str bonus is not applied with nothing in the offhand.
Maybe because a rapier can be used with weapon finesse despite being a medium weapon.

I've also found the power attack feat's +3 damage does not get applied (although you do take the -3 to hit) with a rapier (wearing duelist garb from Deekin which gives the power attack feat). Monitored the combat log (whilst Swashbuckler L7 Duelist L2 at Eyegouger Lair) and with power attack activated I was doing less then the minimum damage if the +3 damage from power attack was applied.

Just retested giving myself levels using the console. I've confirmed again the issue with damage bonus changing on saber unequip / re-equip only happens after taking duelist 5 (which give the precise strike feat). I think it's something to do with that.
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Engerek01: You may be onto something here. Maybe NWN2WİKİ may help?

https://nwn2.fandom.com/wiki/Precise_strike

EDIT: I created the same character on NWN2. You were correct on your assumption.

First, Rapier benefits from both Finesse and Precise Strike despite being a medium weapon but that's not the problem here.

The problem is the D6 bonus that comes with the Precise Strike. Everytime you equip it, the game doesn't know how to show it so it takes the dice instead and rolls a D6.

At level 10, this becomes D12. That's why we can see 12 different bonus damage.
That's great thankyou.
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