So I have been playing the original through (gog version) and I am stuck do to a number of what must be buggs...I want to know is there any patches/mods specifially for M&B original that fix these bugs and/or are these bugs fixed in warband(is it worth buying it if its playable)~

#1 NPCs can travel around and fight battles outside of a town without ending the seige, but you cannot. This makes things extremely difficult

#2 NPCs wont listen to you. Not for long.

#3 When you have an enemy faction down to their last town, all of their lords will respawn there over and over no matter how many times you kill them...and they regenerate their armies basically instantly.

#4 If you are the marshall, and you tell them to call the army together etc...they don'T. THey just never do. THey run around chasing peasants and bandits or jsut sit in their castles.

The best I can do so far is ask the lords to follow me one by one. They do so as long as I avoid anything that they want to fight...which is basically everything.

Basically I have an ever-regeneration 20 lord army that respawns over and over, lords that wont listen for more than two minutes. Since its the factions last town they send out a caravan every couple hours ,and any lords I drag to the town with me (with great effort) just run off after the caravan and also the town tends to send out a few lords every once in awhile...that's not too bad if it gives me a chance to kill the lords in the open field (easier than in the castle) but they jsut regenerate and my lords seem to forget that we are trying to beseige/they need to follow me...so they run off at the drop of a hat basically...and I can't go toalk to them without ending the seige, and starting over on the seige tower...which means another long period of time they will probably run off before I am done anyway.

There is another half-dozen annoying bugs but this is all that comes to mind at this moment. Basically there seems to be no legitimate way to kill a faction. No fations ever really take towns from eachother or seriously attack a castle. Your own faction also is completley useless on their own, and don'T follow any kind of directions.

ANyway if anyone has any advice how to fix and/or work around these bugs I'd appreciate it.

If you're sick of fighting the same lords endlessly, just build a prison tower and start locking them up - especially the king as he has the largest army. As for your other issues, I'm afraid that's just the way the game works.

Don't know about the bugs sorry, but as soon as I moved onto Warband, I never looked back even once. It seems to be an improvement in every single way

I've seen quite a few people say that Warband has a lot more bugs, and runs worse in general; and I remember one person talking about how they changed some things to do with how trading worked, and he thought it was better in the original. I've never played Warband myself, though, and I doubt I'll be getting it any time soon, as there's still plenty of stuff I have yet to try in O.G. Mount & Blade. Regarding your issues with the game: as GeistSR mentioned, most of those you mentioned are design choices or oversights, not bugs. With regards to #3 specifically, neither your character, nor any other important characters, can die -- everyone's merely wounded or incapacitated. (Unnamed soldiers, of course, die in droves...but that's okay, as there's apparently an infinite supply. :) ) As far as I know, this aspect is the same in Warband -- the base game, anyway; I'm not sure about the DLCs for it, nor about With Fire & Sword. I've only ever played as a bandit/mercenary/trader, so I can't say for sure, but I suspect this means that you can never completely eliminate any of the factions, only weaken and marginalize them.

As to mods that could fix some of these problems you have, you might want to check the official forums. I would imagine you might be able to get better and more detailed info from some of the people there, and of course maybe find some good mods (I haven't used any yet, so I unfortunately have nothing to recommend). Hope you find some way to make the game more to your liking! =)

You can end factions. You have to defeat all their armies in the field while they hold 0 properties (no place to respawn). You will then get a message that the faction ended, and any of their lords who aren't imprisoned will eventually switch to other existing factions. You will stop getting ransom offers from the dead faction so you can continue holding them prisoner indefinitely with no loss of honor.

Ah. Good to know, if I ever decide to stop screwing around and settle down with a nice king and have a fief. =P

thanks all...i figured it out kinda sorta...

With modding I was just so confused/frustrated, also with help guides and things like that...as it seems 99% of the time they just gear/assume everything is for warband and the other 1% of the time it is 100% unclear if the mod or guide is for the original or warband because they just don't say either way......

I bought warband as gog.com has a special out now...but im kinda confused if we get viking conquest in it or not...cuz it looks like no...but then in the forums here that viking conquest is available....but its not in the pack...and it seems like the pack shoulda had everything...

ill figure it out i guess...but its confusing. also lately i been downloading a few games and its confusing as they always have patches under the game listing and its never very clear if downloading the game version today means you don't need those patches or if you should download the game and then the patches. sometimes the patches are just for peopel who downloaded the game earlier, and sometimes they need to be done manually after the fact..

I wish they would put some note next to the game downloads specifying what patches it has built in already.....confusing/tedius...

"Viking Conquest" is sold separately from Warband, and, as you already noticed, it's also not on sale as part of the bundle (probably because it's still fairly new). The store page for "Viking Conquest" is here, if you're interested; however, you might want to track down some recent reviews to see if some of the major bugs have been fixed -- last I heard, it was still an almost-unplayable mess. Generally, if there's one or more separate patches included for download for a given game in your library, that means they're not included in the main game installer. (As far as I know, if GOG later uploads a version of the game installer that includes a given patch, they will also remove the separate patch installer from your library.)

That said, you're absolutely right about the whole thing being rather confusing and/or tedious at times. Supposedly they are working on some of this kind of stuff, and we should hopefully start to see some of these changes (improvements, I hope) roll out over the next few months. We'll see.... : )

I've never played the original, only Warband. have dozens of hours of gameplay and the only bug I've seen is that the game crashes after using more than 2 gb of ram. However that seems to be a Linux specific issue because the Linux version is 32bit only (I'm a linux user).

I do have some complaints though. Like how bad the UI is designed. It's very unfriendly and often requires players to look everywhere to get the info needed. For example when I first started playing the game, I went to the tavern and check for where I can buy something cheap and where to sell something, the game tells me for example selling wine at Ahmerrad is very profitable. Ok, but where is Ahmerrad? I have to remember the name of the town, leave my current town, check Ahmerrad in the location list, and finally get the location with "find on map" button. If I remember the name wrong, I have to go back to tavern and spend half a day there again. I ended up taking screenshots with my phone when I first started playing. Such inconvenience is everywhere. Like how inconvenient it is to comparing the profit of each town enterprise.