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"Linux is better than Windows!" -> first world problems just before the Easter. From time to time this forum becomes a huge amusement park.
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PenutBrittle: Also, on the subject of Linux: I think the ease of use of Ubuntu is vastly overstated. If you're already good with computers and willing to look for alternative open source programs over the usual Windows ones, than Ubuntu is great. However, I've known way too many people who tried installing Ubuntu on their parents' computers so they stop getting so many viruses, and it always seems to end with frustration and tragedy.

It's a great system, but it's definitely not as easy to use because a) people aren't used to it and b) you can't use the majority of the usual programs on it, and need to go out of your way for alternatives. The kinds of users looking for ease of use are usually the same kind of users that hate change.
Ubuntu is easy to use if you want to use it. For a Windows user that don't like to try something different... your point is right ;)
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Roman5: the first Xbox was OK but the 360 is absolutely terrible, and I don't think it's going to get any better at this point, you also have to take into consideration that Microsoft has done literally Zero innovation in the industry and has done nothing but bad for it
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PenutBrittle: Xbox Live. Like it or hate it, that's an absolutely massive innovation on par with anything Nintendo or Sony has done for the collective industry.
I like XBOX live. Very fun and protected unlike PSN, except the fun part.
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babelcorporation: 90s' Microsoft? They were even more hated then than they are now! The average user was happy but there was serious resentment towards Bill Gates in the old days. Nowadays we kind of just put up with it like Adobe's products, excellent usability but terrible service and outrageous prices.
At least they're not Apple. Apple Macs are so overpriced.
Post edited April 07, 2012 by somegamer786
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Roman5: the first Xbox was OK but the 360 is absolutely terrible, and I don't think it's going to get any better at this point, you also have to take into consideration that Microsoft has done literally Zero innovation in the industry and has done nothing but bad for it
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PenutBrittle: Xbox Live. Like it or hate it, that's an absolutely massive innovation on par with anything Nintendo or Sony has done for the collective industry.
Hmm...really?

Alright, explain to me how exactly Xbox Live is Innovative
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PenutBrittle: Xbox Live. Like it or hate it, that's an absolutely massive innovation on par with anything Nintendo or Sony has done for the collective industry.
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Roman5: Hmm...really?

Alright, explain to me how exactly Xbox Live is Innovative
Well it doesn't get hacked every year like PSN.
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Roman5: Hmm...really?

Alright, explain to me how exactly Xbox Live is Innovative
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somegamer786: Well it doesn't get hacked every year like PSN.
I would prefer actual arguments and facts, not just trolling

thanks
I never had to contact the support. Most problems are due to user stupidity or defect hardware and can be easily solved through google imho.

The most helpfull community I've experienced must be the linux community though.
Windows 7 is the best OS they've done. Anyone who thinks that Win98 is better doesn't remember it very well.
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Infernoplex: I never had to contact the support. Most problems are due to user stupidity or defect hardware and can be easily solved through google imho.

The most helpfull community I've experienced must be the linux community though.
And where exactly is the user stupidity & defect hardware in Windows Vista :) Or in Windows 2000 ... or in Windows 98....
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spinefarm: And where exactly is the user stupidity & defect hardware in Windows Vista :) Or in Windows 2000 ... or in Windows 98....
By installing Vista on hardware made for 2000 or the early days of XP. :p
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spinefarm: And where exactly is the user stupidity & defect hardware in Windows Vista :) Or in Windows 2000 ... or in Windows 98....
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kavazovangel: By installing Vista on hardware made for 2000 or the early days of XP. :p
And on the same hardware Windows 7 works just fine :)
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Infernoplex: I never had to contact the support. Most problems are due to user stupidity or defect hardware and can be easily solved through google imho.

The most helpfull community I've experienced must be the linux community though.
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spinefarm: And where exactly is the user stupidity & defect hardware in Windows Vista :) Or in Windows 2000 ... or in Windows 98....
I did not say that there are no faults with the operation systems, just that I never had to deal with the support the OP talked about because I were able to solve my PC problems and the problems of my family and everyone who knows me in a 50km radius ever had myself or by searching for it on the web.
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spinefarm: And where exactly is the user stupidity & defect hardware in Windows Vista :) Or in Windows 2000 ... or in Windows 98....
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kavazovangel: By installing Vista on hardware made for 2000 or the early days of XP. :p
And same hardware works with Windows 7 :D
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spinefarm: And where exactly is the user stupidity & defect hardware in Windows Vista :) Or in Windows 2000 ... or in Windows 98....
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Infernoplex: I did not say that there are no faults with the operation systems, just that I never had to deal with the support the OP talked about because I were able to solve my PC problems and the problems of my family and everyone who knows me in a 50km radius ever had myself or by searching for it on the web.
I guess the OP meant a normal user without using help from others except support :)
Post edited April 07, 2012 by spinefarm
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spinefarm: And on the same hardware Windows 7 works just fine :)
Well, try installing 7 on the same hardware, but with drivers done for XP. You won't get much success.

Much of 7's stability is a result of driver manufacturers getting their asses together and finally making a proper driver for the NT 6.x branch.
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spinefarm: And on the same hardware Windows 7 works just fine :)
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kavazovangel: Well, try installing 7 on the same hardware, but with drivers done for XP. You won't get much success.

Much of 7's stability is a result of driver manufacturers getting their asses together and finally making a proper driver for the NT 6.x branch.
Maybe you are right... my Toshiba laptop came with Vista and it was awfully slow... It's with Win7 now and it works nice :)