Didn't see this earlier, but that's a little too extreme. From what I've read of rape, victims never fully recover. And if it'll eat you from the inside knowing that you made it happen. In the end, both people will be irreparably damaged. Beating people up less so, but it won't do you any good and you'll probably start a beef which may continue for a long time. And who are we to put beefs in our descendants afterall.
Not to mention how don-like it makes you (which may be good or bad depending on which side of the fence you're on); but in my experience, shouting out threats about placing hits on people make me take the person less seriously (I've received them a fair number of times, so I speak from experience).

Maybe my mistake, not clear enough, it was not about Nazi-speech, it was about incite to hate/violence I was mainly referring too.

Don´t get me wrong, I DO NOT like those idiots myself, but we live in countries (most of us at least), which do have freedome of speech. So, the same as you can mention your oppinion, I think and would defend, they have the right to do the same, and make complete fouls off themselves. But they have the right.

Or as they say in America: You have the right to remain silent, if you do say something, it WILL be used against you!!!!!!!!!!

Gives it a completly new meaning..........

And if you don´t agree with this, you are kind of no better then they are ;)

And have a check on them, I wouldn´t disagree at all ;) as I said, they are idiots and idiots need to be checked ;)

Some of the stuff I mentioned, was coming up in a show in Germany on ZDF, heute show, a satirical television program. They like to make fun of those right wing nuts ;)

A group of illegal immigrants? Did you really need to add a bigot element to your post?

Don´t get me wrong, not necessarily a bigot element. If it is Greece we are talking about, and this would be a group of albanian thugs (NO I AM NOT SAYING ALL ALBANIANS ARE LIKE THIS), you better be afraid.

Some of those groups, just beat the shit our of you, because you exist, they don´t need any reason.

The are quite often kind of paramilitary and mafia-structure-like.

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He's probably an illegal immigrant.

Not to mention a group of Greek thugs. The immigrants may be more scared of you though, while the Greek thugs can assault you because you look like an immigrant.

But it is relevant. If you walk into a group like that, you can probably just shoot them all and nobody would give a fuck. But if YOU are the illegal immigrant walking into a group of violent respected people, things will be handled differently.

Always have a knife on you, preferably a big one, and be ready to use it .

My experience with the greeks is actually quite good. I enjoyed being there.

You have to get used too certain things, like you get a taxi and share it with others (if you want or not) ;).

But myself, I never had any problems there. Although I must admit, that goes for quite a long list of countries I visited and worked there..........at least for me, some former collegues of mine can tell different stories :P
Me and a collegue had to work in Colombia, Bogota. While he was alone he was getting mugged, they just robbed him, luckily no really harm, It was rather funny, as most people there approached ME and asked, why I was with this foreigner ;) Our local customer was always ignored, ok he was not the strongest guy and similar ;) but he was a good fellow!

And yes I was there before 2000 ;)

I get that wherever you're from, a higher proportion of certain group (nationality, political affiliation, education, etc...) might have more than its share of bad people. I just think that the op's point could have been made by saying "group of people you feel equivocal about".

It usually is, especially towards tourists.

This is the reason why actually. The right wing people in Greece used to be a minority, people we'd point at and laugh, and noone took them seriously. Things have changed in the last decade or so though, and with ΛΑ.Ο.Σ. (Popular Orthodox Rally) and Χρυσή Αυγή (Golden Dawn) reaching ~7% and 9% respectively on the European Parliament, their supporters have gotten a bit more brazen.

So between an attack by an immigrant on a native or by a native on an immigrant, the second seems more likely.

haha happened to me once about 10 years ago on a forrest path..there was 6 of them and just wanted my cell phone nokia 3310 :) so i took my time,opened my cell,removed my sim card and gave it to them.I mean,i could have decline their request,get beaten and loose my cell with sim card but there's no logic in that..Im just sorry that i never saw them again and would love to,1 on 1 i mean..too bad

Firstly don't say a word. If you have an option to silently run away, do it.

If not, then just continue going forward with the same speed, calm and confident, like you own this world and every moment in your life is precious. Sometimes cheap thugs might think you are too *powerful* for them to handle leaving you alone. I strongly recommend to hang you flat keys tight in your hand like knuckles.

If it's not a case either, then prepare for some action. You have just once advantage, namely the very first shot. Possibly they'll send you a *messenger*, the weakest thug whose sole mission is to provoke you. He (or She, oh my!) will initiate a conversation in a manner "do you have a cigarette / money / dope / believe in God / etc. It doesn't really matter what you say, what matters is that you don't speak with them at all, not even a sound.

Best way is knock him with your key "knuckles" right in his face (better point to eyes or throat; less well - nose or teeth). In some cases thugs might have a second thought on pressing on and might decide to withdrew. However if the gang has a leader, even frightened, he/she will surely make an order to attack you.

Again run, or if not an option then fight as a little devil. I don't think your avatar could take out 3 or more random skilled fighters, the chances are too low. But you still have an advantage of initiative. You might fight your way to the leader and hit him/her with all you've got. If you manage to knock leader down fast enough, your chances for scare the rest of them off are quite high.

Best way is to run away. But if you still don't have a chance, you need to kick the closes person to you till you win or lose, or collapse, or even die.

Don't forget to direct your instincts along with your adrenaline flow towards one simple goal: to kill an enemy by whatever means necessary!

If you are loosing, jump on at least one of them a head-to-head punch him several times and bite his face off like it's you last meal in life...

sorry have to say it:

*shaking my head in disbelieve*

Somebody did not read the thread???? ;)

It was being asked out of a certain experience.........or maybe I am missing your point. But one problem is, that certain ethnic groups in Europe do act different. Actually ethnic might be the wrong term here.....

I am not joking, if I say, that we do have certain mafia-like structures in Europe. And they are driven by certain ethnic groups, like the good old Italian Mafia. And a lot of their thugs a quite illigal immigrants on more than one level.

Some of those ethnic groups do even control illegal immigration......Just not reported quite often in the mainstream media. So for this kind of situation, might be worthwhile information.

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It usually is, especially towards tourists.

Goodaltgamer: And yes I was there before 2000 ;)

This is the reason why actually. The right wing people in Greece used to be a minority, people we'd point at and laugh, and noone took them seriously. Things have changed in the last decade or so though, and with ΛΑ.Ο.Σ. (Popular Orthodox Rally) and Χρυσή Αυγή (Golden Dawn) reaching ~7% and 9% respectively on the European Parliament, their supporters have gotten a bit more brazen.

So between an attack by an immigrant on a native or by a native on an immigrant, the second seems more likely.[\quote]
Sorry missunderstanding, I as refering to Bogota prior too 2000 ;)

Greece, I think it was in 2003 or 4, but in this time, there you are right, the brown masses were, where they belonged, at the bottom of the pile ;)