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Posted December 16, 2011
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cjrgreen: Well, no politician could sustain popular support for a war without making a pretense that it is divine will and their god is on their side. This is essential to the act of blinding the people that is necessary to sustain a war.
I guess that depends on the target group in question.
Posted December 17, 2011
Yep. If my president would say "The God is on our side in this war" I would kill the fanatic prick.
Posted December 17, 2011
I wonder what the bible says about bible piracy?

This is a kinda silly and kinda serious line. I mean on one hand it says to spread the good word, and on the other it says Copyright blah blah blah.
Posted December 17, 2011
Why argue about the definition of a word. If some people want to define piracy as including theft, then that's fine so long as they aren't trying to use some kind of legal definition of the word piracy.

To make my point another way...words can have more than one definition. Legally in the uSA, piracy isn't theft. In everyday langauge, pirating something is commonly referred to as stealing/thieving. Does the fact that the legal definition of the word piracy excludes "theft" mean that the everyday English definition of the word piracy must exclude "theft? No. Context matters. Different definitions are fine. The speaker gets to decide which definition he or she is using (when speaking/typing) in each specific context it is used.

Thus, arguing the definition of a word is almost always pointless.
Post edited December 17, 2011 by da187jimmbones
Posted December 17, 2011
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da187jimmbones: Why argue about the definition of a word. If some people want to define piracy as including theft, then that's fine so long as they aren't trying to use some kind of legal definition of the word piracy.

To make my point another way...words can have more than one definition. Legally in the uSA, piracy isn't theft. In everyday langauge, pirating something is commonly referred to as stealing/thieving. Does the fact that the legal definition of the word piracy excludes "theft" mean that the everyday English definition of the word piracy must exclude "theft? No. Context matters. Different definitions are fine. The speaker gets to decide which definition he or she is using (when speaking/typing) in each specific context it is used.

Thus, arguing the definition of a word is almost always pointless.
Unless you know you're right and the other side is a total moron. ;)

/silly mode off

(In all seriousness though, some people even think that legally speaking piracy is stealing, and some of us just have to clear that bit up. :)...)
Post edited December 17, 2011 by GameRager
Posted December 17, 2011
On another note, arguing semantics (in my opinion) is two or more people arguing over what is the definition of a particular word or words. By contrast, it is NOT arguing semantics for those same two or more people to agree on a definition, but then to disagree on whether that particular definition applies to a set of facts.

For example, if I say piracy is defined as copyright infringement and not stealing, and some other dude disagrees with me about that definition, then that is arguing semantics. If he agrees with my definition though, but disagrees with me over whether it is piracy to copy mp3's or whatever, then that isn't semantics (since it isn't arguing the definition). Rather, it is arguing over whether an agreed upon definition applies to a particular situation.

I see confusion over this all the time.
Posted December 17, 2011
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da187jimmbones: On another note, arguing semantics (in my opinion) is two or more people arguing over what is the definition of a particular word or words. By contrast, it is NOT arguing semantics for those same two or more people to agree on a definition, but then to disagree on whether that particular definition applies to a set of facts.

For example, if I say piracy is defined as copyright infringement and not stealing, and some other dude disagrees with me about that definition, then that is arguing semantics. If he agrees with my definition though, but disagrees with me over whether it is piracy to copy mp3's or whatever, then that isn't semantics (since it isn't arguing the definition). Rather, it is arguing over whether an agreed upon definition applies to a particular situation.

I see confusion over this all the time.
Most of what we argue about here on that issue is semantics. Semantics like a mofo.
Posted December 17, 2011
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GameRager: <>
(In all seriousness though, some people even think that legally speaking piracy is stealing, and some of us just have to clear that bit up. :)...)
Yeah, correcting people's misunderstanding about legal terms isn't really what I was attacking. I feel your pain.

In my country, the phrases "stealing," "piracy," "copyright infringement," etc all have very specific and elaborate legal definitions, carved out over decades of case law. It would be pretty silly to think that just because dictionary.com has similar definitions for two words (ie piracy and stealing), that the legal definitions include one another as well.
Posted December 17, 2011
It's fine. But in Poland pirating PC software and making profit from it (for example running company based on pirated software) is called a software THEFT. (it's even in the same paragraph as regular theft) and it's a felony, not a tort.

So it depends on a country, so don't be so judgemental on people. It really depends.
Post edited December 17, 2011 by keeveek
Posted December 17, 2011
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keeveek: It's fine. But in Poland pirating PC software and making profit from it (for example running company based on pirated software) is called a software THEFT. (it's even in the same paragraph as regular theft) and it's a felony, not a tort.

So it depends on a country, so don't be so judgemental on people. It really depends.
Yes but just downloading is still not theft legally.
Posted December 17, 2011
If you're not selling downloaded copy or in any other way make profit on it, then no.

Sharing is different. Many ppl here in Poland upload files on rapidshare, megaupload etc and then they are selling premium accounts (you get points for each download and then you may create premium account from them) on eBay. Most of them don't even know that for that kind of actions you may even go to jail in Poland.
Post edited December 17, 2011 by keeveek
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