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noname875: What do people here have against new...
To be honest, most of them suck. I guess a lot of people here have fond memories of a time when soul and design was the important part of games, not the packaging. After the gaming industry became really big most of it has been centered on making shitty products to cheat people on their money, the people that hold the rudders in the industry look at games as a thing with no more artistic or technical ambitions than toilet paper, they just want to sell as much toilet paper as possible.

We're lucky to have good indie developers though, several of whom have really broken through the last years. And then there still are a few good big devs, like id or a certain dev making games about a white haired monster hunter. :)
The last few years have given me a little hope for the future of gaming after having lost it for many years... it will be interesting to see how things develop.
Anyways this is what I feel like when it comes to new games, there are a few good ones, but most of them suck donkey balls.
Don't know if I hate new games since I haven't bought one since 2005 or so. What I'm not thrilled about, based on others' feedback and reviews:

- Some annoying DRM schemes out there
- Price, plus the reliance on subsequent DLC purchases to flesh-out the game
- Dealing with the bug-and-patch cycle
- The increasing reliance on multi-player over good AI
- Hardware requirements increasing at a pace that outstrips my willingness to upgrade and rebuild, and which also contributes to the planned obsolescence problem mentioned in another thread

If I can spend $5-10 on a matured title (bugs fixed) and still have fun, then that'll be my choice over a $50-60 crapshoot.
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stonebro: I'll just leave this here.
To 2nd this post:

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EDIT: Oops, posted by Judas.
Post edited April 24, 2011 by cw8
In my opinion, there are as many good new games as there are good old games. And many old games are crap like many new games. And many new games are creative, DRM-Free, etc. like Aquaria, Machinarium, Braid, World Of Good, Limbo, The Void, Amnesia The Dark Descent, Super Meat Boy, VVVVVV, and there are some good AAA titles too in my opinion, like Portal 1 and 2... Anyway, there is as much innovation today as in the old days and for the question if a game is good or not, it's just a matter of tastes...
I don't hate new games either.
The reason I love many of the games here is nostalgia and the fact that the games are GOOD!
I never spend much time with the new titles before I grow bored and move on. There are exceptions of course, like Team Fortress 2 and I keep getting back to WoW, but I'm still not close to the time I spent with games like Descent, Duke 3d and Total Annihilation (to mention a few), played those games almost at a daily basis for many years, and those were my first LAN experiences etc, they hold a special place in my heart.

So yeah, I don't hate new games, I just tend to love the new ones less, at least for a shorter time. And some, I got to admit, I just hate.

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Yeah, and I forgot to mention, "CONSOLIFICATION" of games that have really taken off lately, games are getting dulled down to fit the weak controllers and hardware limitations of consoles. I'm no graphic whore or something like that, but the latest gen. of consoles are what? Five years old? They should try to make games that fit the new hardware of computers and don't let themselves be kept down by a publisher that demands sales and therefore console releases of their games!
Post edited April 24, 2011 by Batabusa
(*). High hardware requirements
(*). DRM
(*). Exorbitant price
People have debated the merits of old games and new games in this thread and a common conclusion seems to be that games are more or less as good now as they were in the past, and that people are simply being affected by nostalgia.

This would be untrue and I'd argue that there have been significant changes in the gaming industry and the world which have pushed games in a certain direction.

1. Broadband Internet Connections - pretty much everyone has one of these now, and whilst in the past the number of people playing online was pretty limited, now it has grown massively. People like to compete with one another and the industry has noticed this - there's a lot of money in big multiplayer titles. Single-player games have suffered somewhat as a result - the focus is not "how can we make the game better?" Instead it is "how can we make the game more balanced online?"

2. Genre Death - Classic genres like the point and click adventure have died out. Story-driven games in general are pretty rare, with notable exceptions like Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed 2. This is not a good thing; I don't understand why games now appear tailored to ever-decreasing attention spans.

3. Uncanny "Everything" Valley - Graphics have got a lot better and the emphasis is now on "realism". Maybe I'm just getting old now, and I'm sure all of us used to get excited about the graphics on the PSX or N64 back in the day, but the closer graphics get to reality, the less gamers are encouraged to use their imaginations and their mental faculties in general.

I had some more stuff but I have a short attention span (modern gamer :P)
There are both awful old games, and great new games.

Too bad I can't play most of the great new games as I'm procrastinating fixing my gaming rig (well, it was a pretty good gaming rig 3 years ago, now kinda mediocre anyway) so that I am forced to go through my old game backlog on my truly weak laptop.
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Batabusa: I don't hate new games either.
The reason I love many of the games here is nostalgia and the fact that the games are GOOD!
I never spend much time with the new titles before I grow bored and move on. There are exceptions of course, like Team Fortress 2 and I keep getting back to WoW, but I'm still not close to the time I spent with games like Descent, Duke 3d and Total Annihilation (to mention a few), played those games almost at a daily basis for many years, and those were my first LAN experiences etc, they hold a special place in my heart.

So yeah, I don't hate new games, I just tend to love the new ones less, at least for a shorter time. And some, I got to admit, I just hate.

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Yeah, and I forgot to mention, "CONSOLIFICATION" of games that have really taken off lately, games are getting dulled down to fit the weak controllers and hardware limitations of consoles. I'm no graphic whore or something like that, but the latest gen. of consoles are what? Five years old? They should try to make games that fit the new hardware of computers and don't let themselves be kept down by a publisher that demands sales and therefore console releases of their games!
I hate the whole concept of consolification. It's a cop out and a red herring, there's crappy games and there's good games. You can't tell me God of War wasn't an kick ass game. Defense Grid plays as well on my XBox 360 as on my PC.

There's games that work on consoles just fine. There's ones that don't. And finally there's ones that work differently, but not really any worse or better (e.g. Monday Night Combat, even though I hate shooters with dual analog).

I will give you we should have better graphics on PC by now, but that has nothing to do with consoles and everything to do with cheap devs/publishers. They could push out texture packs for PC and license an engine that scales to both. Consoles don't have quite the limitations they did back when we ended up with the crappy-ass levels in Invisible War.

If you really want to be mad at being held back on PC, it's our monitors. We should have 300-600dpi monitors by now and video cards to drive them. That we don't is stupid and where technology has actually sold us short.
It's not the consoles themselves I hate, nor the games.

But the fact that many games get simplified to fit on a console, bad UIs..

Deus Ex is an OK example, or actually a bad example is some way. Deus Ex was originally only released for PC but had a PS2 release too. The PS2 release is much simpler, to accommodate the limitations of the PS2, for example, health, you don't get limbs shot off in the PS2 version, it lacks in more ways too, can't be arsed to dig out all the stuff it's early morning...
Had it originally been released for both PC and PS2 it might not been the glorious gem it is! It might just have been forgotten amongst the masses of FPS titles out there.

But had less games been made for all consoles and pc and just for PC (and vica verca) we'd have more good games, that's my point.
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Batabusa: But had less games been made for all consoles and pc and just for PC (and vica verca) we'd have more good games, that's my point.
I don't follow this argument, if there were no console ports, in either direction, we'd have more good games? There's tons of games which are awesome on both platforms. I don't think the lack of ports would protect you from steaming turds like The Force Unleashed 2. There wouldn't magically be more people working on PC only games.

I don't think the fact we get crap like Dragon Age 2 has anything to do with it being for multiple platforms, I think it has to do with companies making a cash grab. In fact, it might have been the PC only The Old Republic MMO pissing away their entire budget that prompted said cash grab.
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Wishbone: (4) - Focus on graphics over gameplay
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noname875: 4: (COUGHcrysisCOUGH) :P
Big question, did you actually PLAY Crysis or did you just read about it being a graphics beast and assume it was nothing else? The original Crysis (and indeed Crysis 2) was one of the most refreshing additions to the FPS genre in years
My enjoyment of a game has nothing to do with when it was released. There were games released back in the 80s that weren't worth playing and there are games released today that aren't worth playing.

Asides from fancier graphics, etc., these days, not a lot has actually changed in terms of enjoyment that you can get from a game.
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