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Damned, I miss the smell of vinyl, the often brilliant and ambitious artwork and covers ( like Physical Grafitti) and the sleeve containing extras like posters (like Dark Side of the Moon).

Those were the days...
non vinyl appreciation, listening to ELP Karn Evil all the way through on CD without having to turn the LP over.

Anyway, still have all my old vinyl stuff.

That Bioshock vinyl CE was pretty awesome, probably my favourite CE version of a game.
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Post edited September 22, 2012 by mrmarioanonym
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Dzsono: Ironically, the dynamic range of digital is never fully utilised (with the exception of concert music) as mastering has now become a job of reducing dynamic range as much as possible without distorting the sound in order to win the loudness war.
Definitely true, although that kind of music would sound just as terrible no matter what medium you're using. I just steer clear of more recent popular music. I do however have some really good indie albums where they mastered it to sound good rather than grab attention. I also have some older Jazz discs which were transferred from vinyl to CD with minimal interference and as such are much easier to listen to.

As far as pop goes though, The Eagles albums are much better in that regards, or at least that copies I own make a huge use of the available dynamic range and are quite easy on the ears.

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Dzsono: Vinyl produces a warmer sound through its own shortcomings - harmonic distortion. The same with vintage recording gear. Imperfections are what gives character. I do like this, but it has its place and I do not believe it superior to lossless codecs, or indeed, anything digital.

I wouldn't call it nostalgia, but I do like the process of taking these clumsy discs out of the sleeve and hearing the clicks and pops of dust and imperfection. All this ceremony encourages focus on the music because it isn't instantly accessable as it is with modern devices. I don't go to parties anymore, but I used to have brain hemorrhages of irritation as noone had the attention span to listen to an entire song before moving to the next. And the song wasn't even being listened to anyway...
I would call it nostalgia mostly because I think you had to have listened to enough of it to become attached to those imperfections. Although to really settle it you would have to gather up a group of young folks and see which version they prefer. The trick there is getting appropriate selections to choose from. A lot of CDs clip, and that's something which is definitely not going to sound good. I'm guessing that orchestral music, jazz or possibly some indie stuff would be the best choice being available in both formats.

That's not to say that it's a bad thing, I just think that it's important for people to understand that it's purely in their own head. I personally find older FPS games to be amazingly immersive even without any music. Whereas with newer ones I don't think that I would feel that way without music and sound.
Currently listening to a german Ray Charles compilation. Seems well-pressed and mastered.
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F1ach: non vinyl appreciation, listening to ELP Karn Evil all the way through on CD without having to turn the LP over.
If you haven't already heard it, check out the version on the triple-live Welcome Back My Friends... album. My brother has it on vinyl and I have it on CD, so I may use this album as a comparison between the two mediums.
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F1ach: listening to ELP Karn Evil all the way through on CD without having to turn the LP over.
Yikes! Sounds like your CD player doesn't need you at all. Soon the machines will listen to the music for us as well.
180 gram for live!

Slgiht plug/reccomendation: The 180 gram "Chinese Democracy" by the new GNR lineup sounds *much* better than the CD. The album as meant to be heard is the vinyl version. Axl spent a fortune ensuring the vinyl was archival quality. One of the best engineers in the industry handled it, ca't remember his name at the moment.
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F1ach: non vinyl appreciation, listening to ELP Karn Evil all the way through on CD without having to turn the LP over.
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HereForTheBeer: If you haven't already heard it, check out the version on the triple-live Welcome Back My Friends... album. My brother has it on vinyl and I have it on CD, so I may use this album as a comparison between the two mediums.
I have it too :)
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hedwards: Why? Vinyl is inferior in just about every way to CDs and is nowhere near the quality of a good high def disc. You can't listen to them at all without the sound degrading, there's poor channel separation and you have a much reduced dynamic range over what can be done with a CD.
A record is in every way superior sonically to a CD, EVERY way, Look up compression, sir.
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hedwards: Why? Vinyl is inferior in just about every way to CDs and is nowhere near the quality of a good high def disc. You can't listen to them at all without the sound degrading, there's poor channel separation and you have a much reduced dynamic range over what can be done with a CD.
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anjohl: A record is in every way superior sonically to a CD, EVERY way, Look up compression, sir.
I know what compression is. I also know that CDs require less of it to remain playable than vinyl does. Blaming low quality sound engineering on defects of the medium is just plain ignorant.

I also know that you're trolling the thread. I have better things to do than to argue about this.

EDIT: And it's not every CD anyways, my Eagles albums and my Billie Holiday albums aren't so afflicted. Not to mention my Ella Fitzgerald discs. And really pretty much anything that wasn't considered popular enough to remaster when brought over to CD. Saying every disc suffers from it is just plain ignorant.

Now, I say good day.
Post edited September 24, 2012 by hedwards
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hedwards: I also know that you're trolling the thread. I have better things to do than to argue about this.
Because you're wrong. A CD is a digital representation of the analog sound on a vinyl. The vinyl is the sound the artist wanted you to hear. The CD is the mass produced, cheap, disposable version that most do.

You might prefer CD's, I prefer 320 KBPS/FLAC audio myself for convenience. Vinyl is an absolute racket, between the skipping, dust, short play times, having to flip the album, etc, etc. But it does sound the best, unless it's mastered lazily. If you can listen to a 180 gram vinyl that was done properly, and the CD made from the same mix, and tell me the CD sounds better, you are fucking delusional.

The first time I heard "Fade to Black" off of Master of Puppets by Metallica on 180 gram was in essence the first time I heard the song, it was so different from what I had been listening to.

As I said, you can PREFER CD's, just as I PREFER mp3/FLAC, but both of us would be wrong if we said either was superior to Vinyl.