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Sogi-Ya: so before you condemn this kind of thing, consider it from the perspective of a new player who really loves the game play but is sick and tired of getting curb stomped by fully kitted "experienced" players and is having a hard time with unlocks as a result.
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Mnemon: And the issue with THAT really is a fault in the game design. By making things unlockable you divide the player base. The fair/ethical solution is to a) not restrict people's in game choices depending on activity (i.e. avoid the unlock aspect) in the first place, or, b) if you realised you made a mistake like that find ways to fix it (unlock content for everyone / change mechanics to compensate). Asking people to pay just to level the field is ... not something positive in any way or form.
yeah, I know, but what can be done about it? online FPS gaming had this particular artificial penis forcefully crammed into it's rectum quite some time ago, and no one with enough industry clout to get it clawed out has been particularly inclined to do so.
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SimonG: But they only hate "commercial resellers", and as I stated in that other thread ;-), I also have no love for them. I think CEO couldn't care less about the average gamer selling a game on ebay, it's the way gamespot has made a business out of it. Which, imo, is exploiting the seller.
eBay makes money off of it too. eBay is entirely a peer-to-peer resale outfit. That's their gig. In fact their 'agency' model of used games could encourage much more reselling that Gamestop's 'retail' model - eBay makes less off each sale, but encourages more peer-to-peer selling (which I think is the better model for selling used games). Also, the publisher's inclination is to kill used altogether or move to a model where the selling of used games has no or limited effect - like encouraging micro-transactions, online passes, subscriptions, and F2P.

Again, none of the new transaction types would be bad if it were the natural evolution of a healthy publisher-customer relationship, but instead it is being driven by fear from the publishers.

A fear which is unfounded. They complain about Gamespot's effect and yet, the sale of new physical games isn't really decreasing all that much and is probably being taken up and surpassed by digital sales. They're a bunch of chicken littles and it isn't even raining. I mean c'mon first it's piracy, now it's used sales - and each time it's going to cause the complete destruction of the industry, billions of dollars are being lost, jobs destroyed, Hollywood movie lots will be vacant, game studios will burn to the ground in post-apocalyptic hell-scape to come - and yet somehow never actually comes to pass. They're using apocalyptic language to describe something which isn't even causing a problem for them - not when you actually look at sales and revenue.

He's not using rational arguments and his type are pushing it so than it doesn't matter if you're Gamestop or an average joe, you don't ever get to resell your game and if they can make gaming a service that you pay multiple times for the same product you used to pay once for then even better. He's trying to appeal to the fear that you'll never get to play games again - literally saying there won't be a games industry - because of used games. Even if I agreed with arguments about fairness to the publisher/dev - and I think fairness to the customer trumps that a thousand fold - surely you cannot tell me that the games industry will disappear unless we ban used games or move to financial models like F2P/micro-transcations. Not with a straight face. Surely not.

And I will not stop calling you Shirley! :)
Post edited March 28, 2012 by crazy_dave
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Sogi-Ya: yeah, I know, but what can be done about it? online FPS gaming had this particular artificial penis forcefully crammed into it's rectum quite some time ago, and no one with enough industry clout to get it clawed out has been particularly inclined to do so.
Same thing as always. A) Boycott as much as possible. B) Be outspoken and protest wherever possible.
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Mnemon: Yes, harm is done. You take money from suggestible people, especially if you target teenagers. All it does, in the long run, is create very cynical individuals all over.

Look - I don't appreciate a world that focuses on greed and profit maximisation at every opportunity. It's not one I like to live in. So yes - business practices like these and those that celebrate them, do cause harm*.

(*From my perspective, of course.)
Glad someone agrees that the attitude that these sociopathic business ethics being "okay" has got to go.
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awww, fuck it! the quote got screwed .....
Post edited March 28, 2012 by Sogi-Ya
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orcishgamer: Glad someone agrees that the attitude that these sociopathic business ethics being "okay" has got to go.
Yeah. I have my hope set on a growth in non-profit organisations / companies. Point is not to amass money at all cost, but to allow people to make a living and re-invest the rest. It's simple really - the purpose of the economy should be to enable society, rather than the other way round.

[Also: If you are against (extreme) poverty you also have to be against (extreme) wealth - no way around that, no matter what your ideology.]