Ah, right. Still, with a percentage this high it's bound to include the actual customers. ;)

with a percentage that high it's bullshit.

instead of accepting that the "modern" price for videogames has grown too excessive for what gamers can/will afford (espacally PC gamers) they are attempting to pad their reported "consumed" units with "facts" from how many completed torrents open trackers report.

they they go to their shareholders and say "look how we are actually producing blockbuster titles but they keep being stolen!"

I find this 'modern price' complaint interesting. I've always observed the reverse. When I was just starting out buying games (about 1990), there were AAA games going between £30 and £40. A few years later Game introduced a promise that they'd not charge more than £30 for a game, and kept it up for a few years (£35 crept in eventually for big new titles). Nowadays games cost between £30 and £40. So over 20 years the price has not shifted, yet £30 is worth a lot less now than it was then. So I'd argue that prices have reduced.

I know there are arguments that there are far more games sold now, so the price should drop. However I find it very hard to accept that the price of games has "grown too excessive". Perhaps better stated as "failed to fall in line with the relative margin per sale".

Heh, that's a great way at looking at it. :)

I cannot fathom the thinking over at ubisoft though, not so long ago they created some awesome games, both console and PC. Maybe it's the corporate reshuffling this gen has brought, or the explosion of gaming, but whatever good they brought the pc gamer crowd is disappearing, despite various upstarts and Established companies focusing more on on our side of the market.

Sure, they make pc games yet I don't think it's good business or common sense lambasting the very people you are trying to sell your product to. Are they staffed with hostage takers or something? This perverse Stockholm syndrome tactic is incomprehensible.

Eh, I gave up caring about them anyway since in the current climate there are PLENTY of companies I can support with my money.

Hmmm Ubisoft ..They didn't mind us PC Gamers before the Xbox or Playstation Army came along did they nooo we were customers then ... now we are something they seem to want to wipe off their Shoes ...

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the actual price may not have shifted, but the worth of modern games sure as shit has. Witcher 2 is one of the few $50 titles out in recent years that I think was worth the price, but in pure game time (not counting stupid deaths due to the learning curve) the game is possible to clear in about a day or so. compare that to the bit era of any worthy RPG was a good 80 hours at the minimum!

or like how many FPS titles can be cleared in less time than the shareware versions of doom or quake.

on top of that: the wordl economy is not what it was just 5 years ago. bills have gone up while jobs have gone down and most people self funding their gaming habbits has got only a fraction of what they used to be able to pay twards a videogame. I cant think of one review that said From Dust was worth the day one price tag, despite it's finer points .... mostly because it was too god damned short.

That's kind of my argument though, inflation is up, yes people have less money, but generally games are more affordable.

Your argument that they should be cheaper because they're crap nowadays is a different point. The price range is fine. You just don't like games because they aren't any good anymore (because of DLC bleeding etc.).

There are good games, and they are worth the price. So the price bashing still strikes me as a poor argument, should be 'quality bashing' for games of that price.

Maybe their sales are down because their games are mediocre. Amazon had both AC1&2 for $5 each and i heard about these games before and thought it was a good deal, but after reading the mediocre reviews and remembering what most of their games have been like the last 5 years, i decided to pass, even at $5. These companies always use piracy as an easy scapegoat for their mediocre games. i find myself buying more indie games lately like Alien Breed, Avadon, Alien Shooter, Trine, etc.

Haha this is hilarious. Ubisoft are a bunch of twats.

most of the low reviews you'll find date back to when AC2 came with a really REALLY messed up DRM scheme it's since been lessened.. the AC games are definately worth the 5 bucks...

Tbh, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the numerous 360/PS3 games that can very easily be torrented at any time.

There's just as many console pirates out there as PC.

probably more, but the big dawgs don't like to talk about that.

And don't forget those evul stores selling USED games... seriously if they allowed PC games to be sold on I think they'd see sales double...