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FiatLux: That guy surely had a temper , but I think he calmed down a lot when he met "Broke Shields" - I think it was.....
Yeah, those rackets took a beating. He could easily have crossed the line at any time with a temper like that. But at least with him it was always about the game (from what I know).
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GameRager: ] If that's your stance then fine, but that's the kind of ultra PC thinking that is part of what's killing any serious attempt at getting past racism imo.

It's not like the store's policy was to promote or encourage such acts, just because you heard some sales reps acting moronic, and your reaction seems a bit over-the-top to me personally.

I agree partially on the letting athletes get away with some behavior comment though.....steroid abuse etc.
As somebody who's lived his entire adult life being expected to put up with those sorts of comments so a core hardcore demographic can abuse the first amendment for its own gain, I cannot agree with you on that.

It's not over the top at all, the only way that corporations will start to have some respect for various minority groups is if the customer base demands it. My reaction would likely have been even stronger had it not been a group I had been involved with.

You may be fine rubber stamping other people's bigotry, but it makes me really uncomfortable having seen what that looks like up close and in person.
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GameRager: ] If that's your stance then fine, but that's the kind of ultra PC thinking that is part of what's killing any serious attempt at getting past racism imo.

It's not like the store's policy was to promote or encourage such acts, just because you heard some sales reps acting moronic, and your reaction seems a bit over-the-top to me personally.

I agree partially on the letting athletes get away with some behavior comment though.....steroid abuse etc.
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hedwards: As somebody who's lived his entire adult life being expected to put up with those sorts of comments so a core hardcore demographic can abuse the first amendment for its own gain, I cannot agree with you on that.

It's not over the top at all, the only way that corporations will start to have some respect for various minority groups is if the customer base demands it. My reaction would likely have been even stronger had it not been a group I had been involved with.

You may be fine rubber stamping other people's bigotry, but it makes me really uncomfortable having seen what that looks like up close and in person.
I never said it was fact, hence the IMO at the end of that one bit.

And i'm not fully fine with people being bigoted, I just think some issues deserve alot more attention than people spouting "bad" words seem to get in this country.
Post edited December 21, 2011 by GameRager
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GameRager: Us Americans usually can't even say the actual N word when describing others using the N word.....as it is "offensive" to even say it in a non racist context. Yet minorities can spout it on every other rap album at least 300 times. Go figure. :\
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FiatLux: Yeah ! , it's so funny , Americans can call others "Nigger" all they want if they person saying the word is named "Chris Rock" (or well , usually just being "black" will qualify as "guilt free")

Even more funny , then people of "non-caucasian" "origin" have so many swear/curse/condecending words for "caucasians" and uses them all the time and that's usually all fine (acceptable behaviour) in "daily life".

I can't even use a "slang word" about a person of "other origin" than I without being punished".... (Where I live it is so insane that one is punished for racism if using the "wrong words" even in connection with other people of "same race" , we had politician that I think they punished for racism for speaking bad about someone from one of the "Baltic countries" ) (We have an "extremely wide" "racism paragraph" in my country , I think that it is § 266b - not sure , but if they please then they can generally punish you for saying almost anything about someone foreign, all they have to do is just to point to this "rubber paragraph" they have made to facilitate the "handing over of Denmark" to foreigners).
Race relations in the US are a lot more complicated than they are in northern Europe. Much of it dating back over several centuries and involving numerous groups and movements during that time.

Trust me, it's nothing like anything you see in Denmark. It'll have elements of Naziism often times, but it's a lot more complicated and a lot more subtle in most cases. You could literally study it for years and still not really understand what you're dealing with.
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GameRager: I never said it was fact, hence the IMO at the end of that one bit.

And i'm not fully fine with people being bigoted, I just think some issues deserve alot more attention than people spouting "bad" words seem to get in this country.
Hypocrite. If you honestly think it's just a few bad words you have absolutely no idea what you're dealing with. You do still have the right to make an idiot of yourself and spout off whatever you like, but it's pretty clear you don't understand the issue.

Ultimately, as long as folks like you give cover and to support to people that are "spouting 'bad' words'" they're not going to change their views. The only effective way of stopping this sort of bigoted behavior is by rooting it out and leaving it nowhere to hide.

Personally, I'd say my response to Radioshack was unreasonably weak. I'm in part responsible for them not having a proper non-discrimination policy up until federal law mandated that they have one.

Ultimately, the people that are responsible for the world being so generally crappy aren't so much the extremists as those that pose as moderates and fail to do anything about the problem.
Post edited December 21, 2011 by hedwards
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hedwards: Hypocrite. If you honestly think it's just a few bad words you have absolutely no idea what you're dealing with. You do still have the right to make an idiot of yourself and spout off whatever you like, but it's pretty clear you don't understand the issue.

Ultimately, as long as folks like you give cover and to support to people that are "spouting 'bad' words'" they're not going to change their views. The only effective way of stopping this sort of bigoted behavior is by rooting it out and leaving it nowhere to hide.

Personally, I'd say my response to Radioshack was unreasonably weak. I'm in part responsible for them not having a proper non-discrimination policy up until federal law mandated that they have one.

Ultimately, the people that are responsible for the world being so generally crappy aren't so much the extremists as those that pose as moderates and fail to do anything about the problem.
Racism is not just a few bad words(and such things shouldn't go unpunished) but people DO often take words out of hand in this country(I'm talking about one time incidents here with no physical harm/etc involved).

Often such minor incidents are used as platforms by those purportedly seeking racial equality(Again i'm eyeing you Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton, and others.) to further their own agenda without regards as to what effects their actions will have and I find it sickening.

Also stop with the "You have no idea what you're dealing with" card....as if throwing it out gives you an edge & means you're right.

And no, punishing everyone who says a "bad" word to such a degree as we do now isn't going to accomplish much but keep people focused on the issue and often not in a good way. Focusing on the real racial issues will however.

As for your response you could've reported the staff who did it, but you decided to assume the whole store was racist(I'm guessing) because of a bit of bad behavior on the part of a few bad apples who worked there or didn't believe that but boycotted in general because you thought it would send a message. Fact is, reporting them and sticking to it would've done more. Boycotting the store(if you must) won't do squat unless you give reason for your boycott ad let them know it.

And i'm a moderate....so what? I find it better than being too harsh or too soft on an issue anyways.
Post edited December 21, 2011 by GameRager
Some player here recently complained that a player from another team had called him 'black' a few times during a match. Black in Portuguese can be used as a racist derrogatory term, specially if followed by a few other words of choice, but many people use it in a non derrogatory way. Off course, in this case there's not much doubt in regards to how the word was used.

Anway, when the issue was brought to Eusébio's attention:

"He called him black ? So what ? The guy is black. Had he called him white, now that would be offensive."

Gotta love the Black Phanter outlook on this ;)