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I've never played a grand strategy game and have very limited experience in general with any strategy games but the following Paradox games all look like something I could enjoy once i invest the time in learning to play them:

Europa Universalis III Complete
Hearts of Iron III
Victoria II
Crusader Kings II

The question is, which do you think offers the best experience and in game tutorial help to get you started? Which one would be best for someone new to this genre? I do plan to read the manual before doing anything else.

How many hours roughly do you think it would take someone new to get acclimated to one of these games?
It would probably take several days to learn how to play them. They are all hard to get into to be honest.

I have crusader kings and victoria 2, and they both drive me mad as they are almost like static pictures, where i seem to have no control of what goes on, and no idea either!
I would recommend staying away from Victoria 2 until you are more familiar with the genre. It is a great game, but probably the hardest of the lot to get into.
Hearts of Iron 3 is also pretty tricky to get into. Not because it is as mechanically colmplex as Victoria 2, but rather because there is so much to do, and it handles military matters on a far more detailed level.
EU 3 is probably the most "standard" one of the lot. If you know how to play EU 3 you can apply that knowledge to any other Paradox title.
CK 2 is the easiest one listed to get into, though it also has a different focus. You are not playing a kingdom, but rather the head of a noble family, so court intrigues and handling your subjects/vassals is part of the game's focus. And actually keeping track of all the important (to you) noble families and nobles can be a bit overwhelming, though the tutorial is quite good.

I would actually recommend that you start with Hearts of Iron 2. It is not as overwhelming as HoI 3, and due to the military focus, it is a lot easier to know what to do and focus on because you know that you need to build an army and fight in the war (unless you play some backwater country).
Gamespot had this to say about them, leaving me wondering...

Europa Universalis: "It's as deep and broad as you would expect from a great strategy game, but Europa Universalis III's most notable achievement is how easy it is to get into... intuitive interface and tutorials bridge the gap between depth and ease of use"

Hearts of Iron III: "Much more accessible to the masses than previous Hearts of Iron games... Reduced micromanagement and streamlined automation make Hearts of Iron III an absorbing game of grand strategy."

Victoria II: "Thanks to a friendlier interface and tutorials, Victoria II is a lot more playable and enjoyable than its predecessor... Full suite of tutorials walk you through most of the basic concepts... Still daunting for those who have never played a Paradox strategy game"

Crusader Kings II: "Lackluster tutorials."

They did like all four games, those are just snippets about ease of learning, etc. But after reading what they had to say it left me unsure about a first choice.
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AFnord: I would recommend staying away from Victoria 2 until you are more familiar with the genre. It is a great game, but probably the hardest of the lot to get into.
Hearts of Iron 3 is also pretty tricky to get into. Not because it is as mechanically colmplex as Victoria 2, but rather because there is so much to do, and it handles military matters on a far more detailed level.
EU 3 is probably the most "standard" one of the lot. If you know how to play EU 3 you can apply that knowledge to any other Paradox title.
CK 2 is the easiest one listed to get into, though it also has a different focus. You are not playing a kingdom, but rather the head of a noble family, so court intrigues and handling your subjects/vassals is part of the game's focus. And actually keeping track of all the important (to you) noble families and nobles can be a bit overwhelming, though the tutorial is quite good.

I would actually recommend that you start with Hearts of Iron 2. It is not as overwhelming as HoI 3, and due to the military focus, it is a lot easier to know what to do and focus on because you know that you need to build an army and fight in the war (unless you play some backwater country).
Thanks. I saw your post after I posted the above quoting Gamespot.
Post edited December 21, 2012 by dirtyharry50
i agree on everything AFnord said. Hearts of Iron II is a good choice. i played HoI III, but came back to HoI II which for some reason just "feels" better for me. the tutorials will teach one the basic things to know, but i had to read the manual to understand some stuff like convoys etc.

i should add that there are different versions of HoI II and they all play a bit differently. in my opinion Darkest Hour is the best one as it is the most recent one and has a lot of improvements and fixes that where demanded by the community.
Unless you have a strong thematic preference for XIXth century or WW2 go for either CK2 or EU3.
CK2 does have a different focus, and so EU3 is more representative of the Paradox style.
But EU4 is being produced as we speak so I'd recommend CK2. It will give you the grand strategy flavor anyway, it's the most polished and recent, and it is Game of the Year material.