THIS. My have a limited connection at my university, but I will be doing this soon, hopefully. Not all of them, but the most important ones to me.

IMHO, anyone who buys here should download what they buy when they buy it...or try to download it all within a short time if possible. If they don't and GOG goes down......well that ain't a good situation to be in but if you lack the common sense to download and backup your stuff(Especially when hard drives are getting bigger and cheaper[usually, not counting the big flood that raised prices] all the time.) then I won't be sorry if you end up up a river without a paddle. :\

It's not a matter of being upset. I'm not actually, not anymore. But there should be a difference between a world in which the GOG team pulled that PR stunt (a black stinky unnecessary stain on an otherwise clean reputation) and one in which they didn't. A difference that must be paid. And that difference is in trust. In every decision and opinion about what the GOG team do, trust will be considered and that stunt is part of the math (but obviously even the other really good things they did).
And well, in that precise event they stated clearly that they are not eternal and demostrate that the service could go down on a whim regardless the customers interest. The phrase I was replying to stated that GOG version of Grimrock is better than the one sold on the developers site because even though the installer is the same (and the developer ones give a +1 steam key) the GOG version has more chance of being available in the future. What I said is that it is not necessarily true. That's what I meant.

Regarding GrimRock I have to say that right now developers version is the best from all point of view, having the same benefit of the gog version (drm-free + extras) and the steam version (tied to steam account, achievement). The only reason that came to mind for having the gog version is to have that tied to the gog account. Even developers encourage buying from them instead of gog or steam (not the best practice in my opinion).

It would be good if in the future GOG team will make an agreement with Humble store guys to add a god version to the steam version that usually came with every sale made by them.

There's a HUGE difference between them shutting it down on a whim and shutting it down to transition to a new site format. Should they have given notice? Possibly. This doesn't mean they shut it down on a whim or were trying to prove they could, or that they can and will do so in the future.

Totally agree.

What would that be...? Just achievements?

Should they have given notice?
Probably - considering the reaction from "the general population"...
;-)

Or like some suggested copy to USB sticks :).

Primarily that, yes. Together with convenience, automatic updates and the overlay -- those are the most often cited reason for preferring Steam.

i hope you are aware that the rest of the world isn't in the same situation as you Australians. the Russians love Steam because of regional pricing. Europeans tolerate it. so don't act like eveyone's in the same boat, OK? and AFAIK you Aussies have had to deal with ridiculous game pricing for years if not decades, not just in digital distribution.

you must be doing something terribly wrong. offline mode works for me every time. and it's not like it's difficult to set up, either.

WTF are you on about?!? the GOG edition certainly doesn't come with a Steam key. if you pre-order directly from the developers you get both a Steam key and a DRM-free installer. you get what i'm saying? the Steam key is optional. O-P-T-I-O-N-A-L.

people in this forum seem to be unusually oblivious to the meaning of optional and choice...

there's more to it than that:
- DLC: if the upcoming DLC (which has been hinted at by the devs) is Paid DLC, it may be Steam-exclusive. this has been done with the Men of War series, for example. it would also explain why the devs give away a Steam key with each purchase...
- unlimited downloads: not only can you re-download your games on Steam as often as you have to, you can do so anywhere in the world, from any computer. Steam is the market leader in digital distribution, so in the event of a crash in digital distribution, Steam would be the last one to go down, if at all. hence having your games on Steam is one of the safest options, short of backing up all your DRM-free installers, but a HDD can fail.

Yeah ! , execpt that Steam got like a "god complex" where the customers in the eyes of Steam seems to have next to no rights in many situations....
Quote :
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
A. EXCLUSIVE REMEDY -- STEAM AND THE SOFTWARE.

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH VALVE WITH REGARD TO STEAM OR THE SOFTWARE IS TO DISCONTINUE USE OF STEAM AND CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT.
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And b.t.w. , then apparantly you do not take into consideration that Steam is NOT O-P-T-I-O-N-A-L with respect to some games.... The reason that Steam got me "as a customer" in the first place were because I had it force fed with a DVD-ROM game that I had bought while I were not aware that it required Steam....
Admittedly Steam got its advantages but in my opinion I feel like that Steam is the one place where I feel like I have least customer rights - I feel like I have next to none...... And on top of that then some of their forum MODs are plain a**holes with the same "god complex" as the rest of the company..... It will take more than a little bit of a sledgehammer to keep this company in line.....

Personally I like Steam for some games/sales/etc but if I can get the game cheaper without it then I go for that....well unless I want an extra Steam copy for "cheevos" or whatever, or get a game that requires Steam, etc.

Also is it just me, or should Fred change his forum title to PaidSteamShill? Don't mean to be TOO mean but the way he goes on and on about how good Steam is combined with alway moaning about the latest GOG releases(like Deus Ex/etc.) makes me wonder......of course he COULD just be very adamant about getting a good deal...*cough...cheap.....cough*

With the sheer fanaticism (god-complex, really? ... ) some people here have about being anti-steam it automatically leads to some people swinging the other way and taking the side of it's defense, you see that everywhere. I've seen it for over a decade on the MMO forums. It's certainly not surprising since this forum has a good share of people who are fine with Steam as well.

And then you have the people who don't like what's being said and will go the extra mile and try to attack their integrity by questioning their personal motives and making underhanded remarks against them rather than objectively discuss whatever's being discussed at the time.

I think that I am rather objective with respect to Steam and if you do not like my "god complex" remark with respect to Steam then be so good as to read their subscriber agreement pal , and listen to some of the stories from people that Steam haven't been that nice to....

And by the way , I probably got more games at freakin' Steam than you got "pal" !!!!
But as I have already written : http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/preorder_legend_of_grimrock/post401

[Info : This post ,and previous by same user, were written by a person that like it or not actually got a very substancial account at "Steam". Having an account at Steam does not exclude one from having the right to critisize Steam , except ofcourse at Steam itself (please see previously written Steam critique for explanation) , but does in fact enable one to really be able to understand and evaluate "Steam" . Please have the intelligence to understand this]

I'm guessing you might mean me.....well if you are then sorry but I said what I felt I had to say. I try not to step on many toes here if possible and reword some things so as not to offend too much, but a man can be expected to walk on glass only so much before getting cut & shouting out a stream of obscenities(figuratively speaking of course).

BTW I was only being half serious, and don't think I was being TOO insulting. I admit the paidsteamshill line is a bit crude though, but also please take note that I didn't outright claim he was one or state such, just that he MIGHT be one. Take of that what you will.