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Wired: While it's a bit older now, there was a study done by Squaretrade that does third-party warranties. They took the, at the time, last three years of laptop warranties and compared on a manufacturer level whos laptops broke more often in a three year span.

You can read the PDF here http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf

In the end, they found for laptop quality, the best brands starting from the best quality are:
Asus, Toshiba, Sony, Apple, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Gateway and HP.

Hope this helps
The PDF isn't loading for me, were those laptops in general or did they break it down into business and consumer grade because that would make a difference.

It's also worth noting that the Lenovo business class laptops tend to be quite easily serviced and modular enough that you can fix them if you need to. Obviously, not as much as a desktop, but quite a bit more so than most laptops.

Not that I'm particularly biased, I own a Lenovo x120e ATM and I had a Sony GRX-560 back a decade ago. And briefly had a POS HP. And I do have an ASUS Eee PC 900 which was decent except for the battery life being cut into due to a USB hardware bug. The Lenovo is by far the best constructed of the laptops I've owned.
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hedwards: The Lenovo is by far the best constructed of the laptops I've owned.
You should definitely get your hands on an Acer one. They are, simply said, an amazing engineering work... I think my cat could have constructed their laptops better.

To get to the damn CPU you need to take out EVERYTHING. Yes, EVERYTHING. Keyboard, buttons, detach the display, remove every single component, literally. -_-

EDIT: Either that, or drill a hole in the plastic and hope you hit the spot.
Post edited May 27, 2012 by Elenarie
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hedwards: The Lenovo is by far the best constructed of the laptops I've owned.
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Elenarie: You should definitely get your hands on an Acer one. They are, simply said, an amazing engineering work... I think my cat could have constructed their laptops better.

To get to the damn CPU you need to take out EVERYTHING. Yes, EVERYTHING. Keyboard, buttons, detach the display, remove every single component, literally. -_-

EDIT: Either that, or drill a hole in the plastic and hope you hit the spot.
I'll probably get the chance eventually. I've never had one, but my Dad and my brother both have them.

People tend to scoff at me, but I always get the extended warranty on laptops unless it's an extremely cheap one. In the years I've been doing it, they've typically paid for themselves. My current Lenovo may very well be the exception.

Same goes for the people I know, they also seem to get more value from the warranty than it costs. I suppose I may just know people that are hard on the equipment or with bad luck.
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cioran: Has anyone ITT done IRL video editing? Many of you aren't suggesting realistic builds. 4gb RAM? Are you kidding me?
I did it on a machine that only had 2G of RAM. There wasn't any problem...
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Navagon: Given what you want it for, buy RAM and HDDs like you're stockpiling them. For RAM at least get a pair of 4GD sticks. That way you can buy another couple of identical sticks should you find that inadequate. It doesn't need to be too fast. Capacity is more important in this case.

For HDDs get one that's quite fast (7200RPM) for the operating system and buy cheap, slow 'green' ones for storage as and when you need them.

Make sure you install the 64bit version of Windows 7 too. Otherwise that RAM will go to waste.

You don't want to skimp on the monitor either, if yours is as old and generic as the computer you're using it with. I've heard good things about the ViewSonic VP2365. But you might want a larger model, depending on your needs.
My monitor right now is the only thing that's decent - 37 inch screen.
What's your thoughts on Windows 8?

Would a fast harddrive be a good idea to use as a scratch disk or would that money be better put into something else?
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cioran: Desktop, lots of ram (vid editing I'd look @8-16 as the floor), good gfx card (what bells and whistles do you need on the i/o? make sure it has it esp. if you need HDMI or mutiple ins and outs, etc), multi-core CPU.

Check newegg. You can get a good ibuypower for @900. You'll still need to put more RAM in for video editing though. May want to get an SSD too. Obvi, that'll cost more. Personally I think they're overrated.

Has anyone ITT done IRL video editing? Many of you aren't suggesting realistic builds. 4gb RAM? Are you kidding me?
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Starkrun: for an OS i highly recommend http://ubuntustudio.org/ its designed from the ground up for audio video and art creation....

on top of that focus on 4 things..

a quad core CPU or greater
4 gigs of ram or more
7200RPM hard drive
and 64bit OS as standard

as for GPU go for something with the tegra chip, linux can do some magical stuff with it. but you'll hit compatibility issues. ATI works a lil better in linux...

if your dead serious on the audio/video then a mac book pro is your absolute best but there insanely expensive...
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cioran: That's a fallacy, macs are much slower and more expensive than PC's and all the major video editing programs are PC now. 10-15 years ago, I'd agree with you.
Currently, I'm looking @ 16 but my friend tells me that's overkill.
I'd like to be able to have HDMI i/o on a gfx card but every forum has the fanboys telling me the others are terrible and theirs are better so I'm at a loss as to which one to believe. What are your thoughts?

4 gb of ram seems a little low to me, would 12 be sufficient if I started with that and then added more later or would that cause recognition issues with the O/S?

I'm sticking with PC. A lot of my clients use PCs and I don't want to dual-boot something that would cost me more just to give me more headaches. Win 7 64 sort of took Mac's place for gf design stuff and I can build a much stronger machine for the same price.
Post edited May 29, 2012 by chaosbeast
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chaosbeast: What's your thoughts on Windows 8?
If you're buying a tablet then it's a pretty good choice. Desktop? Forget it.
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cioran: Desktop, lots of ram (vid editing I'd look @8-16 as the floor), good gfx card (what bells and whistles do you need on the i/o? make sure it has it esp. if you need HDMI or mutiple ins and outs, etc), multi-core CPU.

Check newegg. You can get a good ibuypower for @900. You'll still need to put more RAM in for video editing though. May want to get an SSD too. Obvi, that'll cost more. Personally I think they're overrated.

Has anyone ITT done IRL video editing? Many of you aren't suggesting realistic builds. 4gb RAM? Are you kidding me?
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Starkrun: for an OS i highly recommend http://ubuntustudio.org/ its designed from the ground up for audio video and art creation....

on top of that focus on 4 things..

a quad core CPU or greater
4 gigs of ram or more
7200RPM hard drive
and 64bit OS as standard

as for GPU go for something with the tegra chip, linux can do some magical stuff with it. but you'll hit compatibility issues. ATI works a lil better in linux...

if your dead serious on the audio/video then a mac book pro is your absolute best but there insanely expensive...
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cioran: That's a fallacy, macs are much slower and more expensive than PC's and all the major video editing programs are PC now. 10-15 years ago, I'd agree with you.
Yeah, don't got for an Mac if you're serious about video editing. PC, get a good editing program. Don't buy from iBuyPower or CyberPower, they take terrible customer service to the next level. Dell - not that they're great shakes in the customer service department either, but they're better - has some good sales going on now.
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chaosbeast: What's your thoughts on Windows 8?
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Navagon: If you're buying a tablet then it's a pretty good choice. Desktop? Forget it.
lol good to know. I'm not in the market for that. So does the old adage of avoiding every 2nd windows product hold true?
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Navagon: If you're buying a tablet then it's a pretty good choice. Desktop? Forget it.
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chaosbeast: lol good to know. I'm not in the market for that. So does the old adage of avoiding every 2nd windows product hold true?
So far it's holding up just fine, unfortunately. To be fair, Windows 8 does look like it will do really well on a tablet. It's just a pain when not on a touchscreen.
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chaosbeast: lol good to know. I'm not in the market for that. So does the old adage of avoiding every 2nd windows product hold true?
More true than ever, it seems. It's got a few good ideas in there and there are some worthwhile improvements. But they're buried under a heavily touchscreen-centric UI and some bizarre and unnecessary omissions. Compared with Windows 7, the cons far outweigh the pros.

All in all it's a hell of a lot worse for desktops than Vista ever was.
Post edited May 30, 2012 by Navagon