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Avogadro6: (...)
Until now, that is only speculation. Granted, if anyone asks me I would never say that our power structure is clean, also being suspicious after seeing all those coincidences (being them apparent or not) seems only normal, to me; yet, as long as there is no tangible proof, I have nothing to say on the matter. I have my opinions, but as long as they are not supported by facts I prefer to remain silent.

I limited myself to a simple correction, since lately the media are doing nothing but spreading blatantly false information, the one about an "elected governement" being just one among the many (and I don't think I need to underline the intrinsic risks of letting that situation slide).
I hear this always more frequently, so I decided to be a "good citizen" and correct it any time I can (wich is often).
In any case, under a strictly technical standpoint, the Constitution has indeed been respected -at least formally.
Post edited December 27, 2014 by Enebias
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Enebias: I limited myself to a simple correction, since lately the media are doing nothing but spreading blatantly false information, the one about an "elected governement" being just one among the many (and I don't think I need to underline the intrinsic risks of letting that situation slide).
I hear this always more frequently, so I decided to be a "good citizen" and correct it any time I can (wich is often).
In any case, under a strictly technical standpoint, the Constitution has indeed been respected -at least formally.
Fair enough. Point is that as far as I can remember, that's how things worked in practice: parties put forward a PM candidate, and if they won the candidate was appointed by the President. The Constitution may not be in favor of this practice, but is not against it either, isn'it? At least before we had the illusion of choice.

Now, the last political elections (feb. 2013) left us with a tie between centre-left and centre-right coalitions (29.5% and 29.1% of votes respectively) and M5S not far behind (25.5%). We're now run by a mostly centre-left government with the support of a centre-right minority, the initial coalitions we voted for completely disintegrated of course, and PD already managed to cannibalize their former PM Letta.
Also, fun little detail: a few months after the elections, the Constitutional Court suddenly wakes up and declares our electoral law UNCOSTITUTIONAL only EIGHT YEARS after its inception.
I'm still not clear whether that makes our whole Parliament uncostitutional or not, but perhaps another country with a more sane ruling class, would have, I dunno, maybe established a proper electoral law and then voted again (as they told us they would do SOON™)? Or perhaps made a true government of national unity to adress the real issues of this country, unlike this... thing which is only held together by the fear of populists gaining more ground. Anything but dragging this farce of a government up until 2018 basically?

While they keep play their little games, in the everyday life this country is still slowly bleeding to death. How do you get rid of a ruling class that does anything but their job in a modern representative democracy? You can't. You just can't. I feel completely powerless.

And this has gone horribly off topic, apologies to gyokzoli.
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Avogadro6: And this has gone horribly off topic, apologies to gyokzoli.
It's completely fine. Feel free to discuss about anything you want here.
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Avogadro6: Point is that as far as I can remember, that's how things worked in practice: parties put forward a PM candidate, and if they won the candidate was appointed by the President. The Constitution may not be in favor of this practice, but is not against it either, isn'it? At least before we had the illusion of choice.
It is only a custom: as long as the Parliament approves, every possible composition is fine. It is neither encouraged nor discouraged: it is just an evaluation based on the opportunity. Actually, the Goverment could even be 100% composed by non-party members.
Another thing is worrisome: once, we could choose the Parliament members... now, thanks to Mr. Berlusconi, we cannot. Not exactly what I would call a "democratic milestone".

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Avogadro6: Now, the last (...)
Now, this is precisely the current situation in Italy.

Just one note: the Court can judge on a certain matter only if it is brought to its attention. No "inquisitory" powers are allowed (though I always believed it would be better if certain laws had its prevemptive approval before being promulgated), so even if they perfectly know that a law is unlawful they can do nothing.
Problem is, an electoral law cannot be abolished without being immediately substituted by a new one, because lacking that there would be no legal way to form a new Parliament. Vicious circle.
Our nice politician know this, and a few factions (I'm sure you all can deduce which ones) are doing obstructionism because the current, inconstitutional but non-removable one can grant them *many* advantages.

I apologize to gyokzoli, too! I'm sorry for going off-topic!
At least now everyone in doubt will recognize that injustice is global...
Post edited December 27, 2014 by Enebias
Two Italians arguing over the competency, or lack their of, regarding the rulers of their country? :P

Can we at least both agree that NO ONE misses Mussolini?

That's how I look at it over here. No matter what happens I remind myself, "He's not Nixon!"

Of course that's not a fair comparison. One was a fascist dictator and the other was Benito Mussolini.
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tinyE: Can we at least both agree that NO ONE misses Mussolini?
I am ashamed to say it, but... no. Definitely not. Due to the incompetence and collusion with the mafia of our politicians, many among the most ignorant Italians are starting (well, they never stopped, actually, but lately they are more and more) to praise him.

"At least under Fasscism there was work and the economy ran smoothly. There was real order". True. They forgot about the death squads raiding houses during night, the rapes and the massacre of the opposition, though.

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tinyE: Of course that's not a fair comparison. One was a fascist dictator and the other was Benito Mussolini.
Lol! XD
Post edited December 27, 2014 by Enebias
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tinyE: Hello!? We had Bush Jr in office for eight years!
http://i.imgur.com/Mv5dCk0.gif

:P
The Mexican President is so dumb he makes Bush Jr. look like friggin' Albert Einstein. And my dumbass country voted for him not because he was the best option available, but because he's married to a fucking soap opera star.

Can the gringos invade and take over already? Please?
Post edited December 27, 2014 by Foxhack
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tinyE: Can we at least both agree that NO ONE misses Mussolini?
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Enebias: I am ashamed to say it, but... no. Definitely not. Due to the incompetence and collusion with the mafia of our politicians, many among the most ignorant Italians are starting (well, they never stopped, actually, but lately they are more and more) to praise him.

"At least under Fasscism there was work and the economy ran smoothly. There was real order". True. They forgot about the death squads raiding houses during night, the rapes and the massacre of the opposition, though.

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tinyE: Of course that's not a fair comparison. One was a fascist dictator and the other was Benito Mussolini.
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Enebias: Lol! XD
I was just thinking about that, and as twisted as it may sound, that did hurt the Axis during the war. Mussolini tried to stamp out crime while Hitler tried to stamp out Judaism, neither bothering to notice that some of the most powerful people in the States at that time were Jewish Criminals. That immediately put the Mafia in tow with the Allies and their help proved invaluable.
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Foxhack: The Mexican President is so dumb he makes Bush Jr. look like friggin' Albert Einstein. And my dumbass country voted for him not because he was the best option available, but because he's married to a fucking soap opera star.

Can the gringos invade and take over already? Please?
I know what you need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u38YJtJcMZc
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tinyE: I was just thinking about that, and as twisted as it may sound, that did hurt the Axis during the war. Mussolini tried to stamp out crime while Hitler tried to stamp out Judaism, neither bothering to notice that some of the most powerful people in the States at that time were Jewish Criminals. That immediately put the Mafia in tow with the Allies and their help proved invaluable.
True. Not to be offensive to the American people, but... we are still paying the price of several deals the US made with the Mafia. Those bastards were almost wiped out, but after the war they thrived. Now they are *everywhere*.
Here's parts from a speech of Günther Oettinger, European Commissioner for Digital Agenda. His English is the most embarrassing I have ever heard. This guy represents Germany in the EU.

And let's not forget about Edmund Stoiber, former Bavarian Prime Minister for 15 years, who's legendary for his limited rhetorical skills, similar to Bush jr. There's a whole website dedicated to his rhetorical fails and bloopers. Examples. It's German, but you don't need to speak the language to not understand what the fuck he's talking about.
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OldFatGuy: My favorite one was "More and more of these imports are coming from overseas."

I bet his daddy was extra proud of that one....
He had a lot of choice non-phrases. This is my favorite. Even the newscasters are left speechless :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JdcnFZIJw
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Bavarian: Here's parts from a speech of Günther Oettinger, European Commissioner for Digital Agenda. His English is the most embarrassing I have ever heard. This guy represents Germany in the EU.

And let's not forget about Edmund Stoiber, former Bavarian Prime Minister for 15 years, who's legendary for his limited rhetorical skills, similar to Bush jr. There's a whole website dedicated to his rhetorical fails and bloopers. Examples. It's German, but you don't need to speak the language to not understand what the fuck he's talking about.
Thats what I love about the US. 8y max then byebye. Here we stick to our Zomie Coorperate Puppets :/

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gyokzoli: So, here is Orban Prime Minister, who is probably the biggest Hungarian asshole of all time (and the most corrupt).

And you might think that, the majority of Hungary voted on him (or his party, Fidesz).

Wrong!

Fidesz only got 44% of the votes during the parliamentary elections. And yet, Fidesz got 67% of the mandates. How can it be possible?

Well, they modified the election law in a way that it made it possible. The same happened during the municipal elections.

And please read this blog: link
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Gnostic: The same with malayisa, won by minority
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22422172

And this prime minister bodyguards murder the Mongolian girl, well people with half a brain will know who is the main culprit.

http://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/najib-and-the-murdered-mongolian/

I submit our prime minister in my birth country as a candidate for the worst president
Ouch. He had that poor girl shoot 2 times in the head and then blown up by C4 and still is/became PM? Looks like you won the thread; he is a fucking monster. :(

Cant the US take him out? :P
Post edited December 28, 2014 by anothername
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anothername: Cant the US take him out? :P
Not enough oil to make it worth our while. :P